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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Yes, there are many patents pending for smart gun technology:

    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...V%20160719.pdf

    We must start a dialogue on how to test, and validate these inventions in a more efficient manner, I would argue giving the gun industry itself the right to set standards for firearms, (similar to the automotive industry, or any other industry that uses or produces devices that could be harmful to human life) is also a constraint.

    Additionally, just as we have tightened our security post 9/11 (for example: getting on a plane, one way ticket, no luggage, gets you a bit more scrutiny, unless you "pay" for the right to glide thru faster, as in the case with many who travel for business) same should be applied to those who clearly "case" areas like this shooter did in Vegas; it is now coming out that he visited many resorts looking for the right vantage point, additionally, luggage, all LUGGAGE should be scanned; no exceptions, every airport has massive vacuum chambers where luggage is scanned, BUT the scanning done on the belt is decidely different that the scan that occurs in those chambers, make that a mandatory requirement.

    Ammonium nitrate, regulate it, you have to get a license to purchase lidocaine as a dentist, and you MUST account for all use, FDA regulated, OR you lose the ability to purchase, do that with materials that can used in explosives, and please, spare me the inefficiency argument; if we can move hazardous material like gasoline in an efficient manner, we can do this.

    No silencers; stop that legislation, we are hardly able to keep up with this current copious number of firearms in this country as it is.

    Block the intra state sales; you cannot bring a lot of goods to various states; I see no reason why there is no challenge to the 95 corridor that brings guns from Georgia to NYC.

    Challenge that corridor.

    Finally, wifi,,, we are getting into the realm where we should be developing firearms that can be "disabled", I have no qualms with a firearm in the hands of a hunter or avid target shooter, but I DO have issue with a gun in the hands of someone cannot be stopped BEFORE they kill,

    If you look thru the patents you will find one for wifi firearms; it's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    May I ask you some questions along the same lines? Who has resisted any sort of gun control and called for things like open carry?

    Are firearms illegal in Las Vegas? How do over 500 people get wounded and almost 60 people end up with wounds that kill them, before all law enforcement, not some private armed citizen (isn't that the argument for more people arming themselves?) discovered the shooter killed himself? Firearms in the hands of citizens as a deterrent to things like this, worked how, in this incident?

    Perhaps there appear to be some problems with looking to firearms as a solution, since shooters appear, in their minds, to believe their "solution" is also to use firearms.

    So how does one or a society, put more firearms into the hands of their society when that society has a problem with firearms in the hands of the people of their society, then call it, a "solution"?
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    FACT CHECK: Did Congress Legalize Gun Purchases for People With Mental Impairments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    That's always been my point. Americans aren't more homicidal. Our laws have not prevented the rate of these incidents and their laws have. It's that simple. It's a simple fact.
    Australia: 15 mass shootings between 1980 and 1997

    1997: gun restrictions introduced as a result of Port Arthur massacre (35 killed by lone gunman)

    Mass shootings since 1997: none.

    No NRA, but the SSAA are sane and were compliant with legislation-there's the difference

    Now, before NRA muppets join in with the propaganda, Australia did not have a gun ban as the lying NRA would have you believe. Only Auto and Semi-Auto's are banned, and all other guns require licences. The are more guns in circulation in Aust. now than before 1997, but access to quick fire rate weapons has been denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Current law prevents those who have been adjudicated mentally incompetent from purchasing firearms. That definition could be improved to include more people who have been flagged as posing possible danger to themselves or others, at least for a reasonable term. I'd happily go along with that. And that expansion of scope still wouldn't have prevented this mass shooting.
    "Flagged as danger to themselves or others"? You'd "be happy to go along with that"?



    "Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference"

    Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference | The Independent


    Okay....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its almost impossible to prevent these actions at this point.

    Just too many weapons in circulation out there for banning to ever work.

    About the only thing we could do is increase the punishment for using guns, that may prevent some of them.

    The main problem is that these guys don't care about the law so nothing we do legally is doubtful to have any effect on them.
    So we just have to sit there and take it. Really, that's what you're saying, because to stop it, is too hard. The reality is in a few days there will be another shooting incident, smaller likely but another loss of life. And, in a day perhaps, or a few weeks or ever a year or so, there will be another large mass shooting and our action plan is to say "ain't it awful" and liberals are bad people" (you did in fact say that in the other thread) because they want fewer gun deaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its almost impossible to prevent these actions at this point.

    Just too many weapons in circulation out there for banning to ever work.

    About the only thing we could do is increase the punishment for using guns, that may prevent some of them.

    The main problem is that these guys don't care about the law so nothing we do legally is doubtful to have any effect on them.
    Congressional Republicans: GUN LAWS WON'T STOP SHOOTINGS

    Also Congressional Republicans: ABORTION LAWS WILL STOP ABORTIONS

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    Other nations solved this problem with a combination of legal actions and social pressure to rid themselves of these firearms. For some reason, America is addicted to guns and the idea of owning guns. This national obsession with guns goes back hundreds of years and may be part of who we are as a people. Some can say it was due to fear of the frontier, Indians, animals, outlaws, lawlessness and of course, slaves. I think all of them contributed to the concept of being armed. I have no desire to own a gun nor have I ever felt a gun would make me safer but many people feel differently. Even in the face of mass shootings like this one going back to the UT sniper in the 60s', gun owners and supporters never seem to make the connection that the laws and rights they enjoy as lawful gun owners will also give a criminal or an insane shooter the right to own guns. The gun lobby and industry turned military style weapons into an industry mass marketed by the NRA led by very obvious racial stereotyping to make people feel they were under threat constantly. Now we have 300 million guns out there, an unregulated gun industry, a powerful lobby that helps sell guns and stokes fear, a party (the GOP) that forgot they once were in favor of gun controls (Reagan and Brady) and these same groups will say its too late, the genie is out of the bottle. They may be right but as your old man told you over and over again, if you are in a hole, stop digging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Clever comeback. But doesn't fit well into this particular conversation.
    We can do nothing then. We say to the victims and the families of the dead, "oh well". Is that right?
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    Thank you for the link MaryAnne. I'm not sure how it relates to my post in particular, since I was not talking about mental impairment laws, but it seems quite obvious that mental impairments have something to do with these mass shootings....

    As far as I can tell, from your link is that it discusses where the devil is.....in the details.....although laws about those with mental illness were not totally repealed a law was passed that repealed a measure within existing laws that may have made the law more effective..... This to me, is still resistance to tightening and efforts to make it more difficult to spot and then determine mental illness.....so that firearms would be kept out of the hands of those with mental illness....
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