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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    For what it's worth freedom of speech isn't a big deal in Africa, Mexico, and the Soviets, do I really hafta' tell you what the Soviets felt about free speech?
    Nor, apparently, is it a big deal to Trump's and/or Pence's supporters.

    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Happened in Europe by a socialist regime in Germany.
    Actually, a fascist regime in Germany, no matter what name the party went by.

    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    The Soviets treated jews were treated badly.
    At that time, Jews were treated badly pretty much everywhere, to varying degrees.

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    ....and yet I'm not flying the flags of foreign nations or standing on the us flag.
    Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but. If you are "not much of a patriot these days" then you do not have the moral superiority you are claiming. For that matter, if that is so, then why are you bothering to even claim it at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    How bout I just remain Captain Obvious when it comes to you Democratic voting "patriots?" How bout I just do that?
    How about you address the post instead of making personal attacks? How about you just do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I support their right to protest. I support the rights of businesses to give consequences to those that harm their business.
    A real patriot can recognize and support the rights of all.

    All rights matter.
    Do you support a president threatening business CEO's with monetary retribution, fomented by the state, unless they do what the president wants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Nor, apparently, is it a big deal to Trump's and/or Pence's supporters.
    So, it's your assertion there is greater "free speech" in Africa, Mexico, and the Soviet Union? A dubious claim at best, counselor.


    Actually, a fascist regime in Germany, no matter what name the party went by.
    A form of socialist government billed as the "third way" between classical liberalism and communism. It's economic system was corporatism. It's the same economic system FDR adopted for the U.S..

    That's the very same economic system that's given us flat wages for the last 3 decades or so. It's the economic system so ably represented by the current Democratic Party and the Establishment Republicans. Both hell bent on keeping the borders open and the manufacturing jobs outsourced in an effort to keep corporate profits high.

    I can't say I care for it much.


    At that time, Jews were treated badly pretty much everywhere, to varying degrees.
    ....and yet better here than there.


    Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but. If you are "not much of a patriot these days" then you do not have the moral superiority you are claiming. For that matter, if that is so, then why are you bothering to even claim it at all?
    I'm not claiming parts of this country for Mexico and advocating for the killing of white police officers no. Of course I'm not a Democratic Party voting demographic. I guess we all can't be you guys.


    How about you address the post instead of making personal attacks? How about you just do that?
    You should read your own posts here, counselor. You're being a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    So, it's your assertion there is greater "free speech" in Africa, Mexico, and the Soviet Union? A dubious claim at best, counselor.




    A form of socialist government billed as the "third way" between classical liberalism and communism. It's economic system was corporatism. It's the same economic system FDR adopted for the us. That's the very same economic system that's given us flat wages for the last 3 decades or so. It's the economic system so ably represented by the current Democratic Party and the Establishment Republicans. Both hell bent on keeping the borders open and the manufacturing jobs outsourced in an effort to keep corporate profits hight.




    ....and yet better here than there.




    I'm not claiming parts of this country for Mexico and advocating for the killing of white police officers no. Of course I'm not a Democratic demographic.




    You should read your own posts here, counselor. You're being a hypocrite.
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    Since when do the actions of a few speak for the group? If that's true then Trumpsters are racist murdering pigs because it was a Trumpster that went into a bar and killed two people. It was a Trump supporter that went into a Mosque in Quebec and killed people while they were praying.

    Why are you bringing up Mexico, Africa and the Soviet Union into this discussion?. The USA has its own problems, REMEMBER WHAT YOUR COMMANDER AND CHEIF SAID WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND WHEN HE MADE HIS INAUGURAL SPEECH? AMERICA IS A SHIT HOLE. If you believe Trump then since he has taken office America has become a an even bigger shit hole=Thanks Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    So, it's your assertion there is greater "free speech" in Africa, Mexico, and the Soviet Union?
    No, that is not what I said.

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    ....and yet better here than there.
    For those who were allowed to be here, sure.

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    You're being a hypocrite.
    No, I am not. You are avoiding the issues by changing the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Hmmm, Africa is a hell hole. Mexico is a failed narco state where the real power resides with drug cartels so it isn't much better. The last time I was there I was robbed by the police! The communists managed to kill 100 million people in the 20th century. It makes me wonder about your cultural values.

    I'm not much of a patriot these days. I don't much care for Washington or the political elite who own it.

    Still, I don't disrespect the flag. That's behavior best left to Democratic party demographics.
    Sure you were. ROFLMAO

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    Back in my day the Nixon gov't called protesters of the war unpatriotic and unAmerican etc. The burning of draft cards was an abomination and an insult to democracy. Same bullshit Bush used to drum up the Iraq war. His "support the troops" rhetoric was the abomination because he didn't give a rat's rump about them after the fact. Supposed respect for the flag is used to do evil for money. But when ordinary citizens fight back by protesting perceived wrongs, it's somehow wrong to show unity of purpose by taking a knee. The GOP loves the flag when it's used for cranking up a war. But it also stands for the freedom to make ordinary voices heard.
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    You expect hypocrite conservatives to care about their hypocrisy?

    They only bring up disrespecting the flag and military to deflect from having to discuss the real issue they don't want to discuss, or want to ignore even exists, or just want to continue to allow black people to be discriminated against, thrown in jail for long periods of time, or being killed by cops

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Best way to respect our flag is to support folks right to protest when a perceived wrong takes place against a people.
    It's also patriotic for multi-billionaires not to evade paying income tax via loopholes...like our deadbeat-in-chief.

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