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    What about all the people that have tattered flags hanging on their truck or out the windo (do they put them inside at night, or shine a light on them? like they are suppose to?
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    Respecting the national flag is a complex issue for me. The object itself is simply an identifying insignia, and as such, hardly sacrosanct. But it does have a greater significance embodied in how it is perceived by the citizens of the country it represents - and therein lies the crux of this matter. Respect is not something which can be legislated or enforced, and the lawmakers in every democratic society realise this - ergo the lack of acts enforcing overt respect for national symbols.

    If we want to show respect, by standing or bowing the head, for our national insignia and anthems, we must be free to do so. However enforced displays of respect have little to do with genuine respect, and we should not have the right to expect others to comply with what we consider appropriate overt respect.

    Having said that, my own attitude to the situation is one of compliance, inasmuch as I am happy to stand for any decent nation's anthem, and would consider it ill-manners on my part to refuse to do so. I would also likewise not hesitate to show respect for anyone's national flag, even though I may not necessarily agree with that nation's foreign or domestic policies.

    What I do not like to see is unnecessarily jingoistic displays involving the national flag, and I also do not like to see the national flag used as a pattern for clothing of any sort. There are those who contend that the national flag pattern is not an actual flag, so no breach of flag protocol is committed. I would counter with the assertion that a flag, national or otherwise, is no more than a pattern on material, and any significance lies in that particular pattern, not the fabric or other material upon which it is printed. Therefore to use that pattern for the purpose of personal adornment is not only inappropriate but disrespectful.

    The Stars and Stripes signify the original 13 colonies and the present 50 states - these have historical significance, and are a pattern which should be respected as such. Similarly with the Union Flag - it represents the union of three sovereign states of great antiquity and considerable achievement - the pattern is not one of casual adornment thought up by some advertising agency.

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    Are appropriate use of the national emblem, nor does their use as apparel make the wearer any more patriotic.
    I agree, Leo2. The fetishizing of the flag is often used as a distraction or a weak attempt to gain favor--no one flies bigger flags in my country than car dealerships, and they do it entirely for commercial gain by falsely attempting to instill trust in customers.

    I read an article once that compared American attitudes to our flag with the attitudes of Britons regarding the Union Jack. It suggested that we invest more in our cloth symbol because we have no monarch, no other physical entity that embodies the nation. Many Americans treat the Stars and Stripes as exceptional, deserving of special treatment, just as British custom (and sometimes law) treats the honor of the Crown. But then we forget the actual written customs by which our forebears distinguished and insisted we honor the flag.

    For what it's worth, some state flags are also given the same treatment. I've lived in a number of states and seen commercial entities "borrow" the state flag in their advertising in order to solidify their identity as connected to the state. New Mexico and Ohio (which have distinctive, easily reproduced and recognizable flags) are particular examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    Fuck the flag if that's what Forrest Trump represents.
    Well yes, we already know you're a liberal. That's kinda' been established, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    How can one be disrespectful to a piece of cloth? Taunt it with "look at your low thread count!" Or "Hey, flag! Why you got that pole up your ass?"
    ....and yet people disrespect the flag for a reason.





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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    ......and your America.

    Bernie rally in Philly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Well yes, we already know you're a liberal. That's kinda' been established, right?

    Trump steps on the Flag everyday he's in office. He's disrespected a War Hero, the disabled, women, minorities, etc., etc. He called White Supremacist "fine people."

    If Trump represents the Flag then I can't stand for the Flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    ......and your America.

    Bernie rally in Philly.

    You called Obama a Socialist too. Can you name one Socialist Program implemented by Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Well yes, we already know you're a liberal. That's kinda' been established, right?

    So...this is a picture of someone from PH? Who is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    ......and your America.

    Bernie rally in Philly.

    Did BP attend that rally? Is he in the picture? How can you associate BP with an action BP didn't participate in?

    This is no more valid than taunting you with a picture of an American Nazi holding a Swastika. It's below the level of debate, even for PH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Trump steps on the Flag everyday he's in office. He's disrespected a War Hero, the disabled, women, minorities, etc., etc. He called White Supremacist "fine people."

    If Trump represents the Flag then I can't stand for the Flag.
    Got a picture of that?

    I've got a picture of you guys.


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