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    As to those who object to the sitting/kneeling/whatever: They do not want respect for the flag, but respect for themselves and their views. And they do not wish to respect what the flag symbolizes in any case, just the symbol itself (which they in any case attach to their political views rather than anything about the country).

    Once again: None of this would be a big deal if they did not make a big deal out of it. It is almost as it there are no serious issues facing the country today. Of course, even with control of the White House and Congress they cannot seem to do anything about those issues, so they spend all their time whining about "disrespect." Perhaps they should show some respect themselves, instead of demanding it from other people.
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    Best way to respect our flag is to support folks right to protest when a perceived wrong takes place against a people. I am proud of those who took a knee. Marine Corps 68-71 Vietnam combat veteran wounded in action. Those GOPers who make such a fuss are always the first to kill programs that might help minorities and always claim the high road to protection of the 2nd Amend. How about the first Amend?

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    I am obviously not au fait with the situation, but I thought the furore has come about as a result of NFL players not standing for the national anthem. How does the flag come into the discussion?

    Surely flag protocol is a different issue from standing for the national anthem (which AFIK is not required by law in any developed nation). If we had to stand whenever the national flag was flying - nothing would ever get done, given that most national flags are flown 24 hours a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Best way to respect our flag is to support folks right to protest when a perceived wrong takes place against a people. I am proud of those who took a knee. Marine Corps 68-71 Vietnam combat veteran wounded in action. Those GOPers who make such a fuss are always the first to kill programs that might help minorities and always claim the high road to protection of the 2nd Amend. How about the first Amend?
    I support their right to protest. I support the rights of businesses to give consequences to those that harm their business.
    A real patriot can recognize and support the rights of all.

    All rights matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I support their right to protest. I support the rights of businesses to give consequences to those that harm their business.
    A real patriot can recognize and support the rights of all.

    All rights matter.
    Maybe you should start protesting Trump apparel, it seems he uses the flag to sell merchandise and make a profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I support their right to protest. I support the rights of businesses to give consequences to those that harm their business.
    A real patriot can recognize and support the rights of all.

    All rights matter.
    which business rights specifically are you referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    As to those who object to the sitting/kneeling/whatever: They do not want respect for the flag, but respect for themselves and their views. And they do not wish to respect what the flag symbolizes in any case, just the symbol itself (which they in any case attach to their political views rather than anything about the country).

    Once again: None of this would be a big deal if they did not make a big deal out of it. It is almost as it there are no serious issues facing the country today. Of course, even with control of the White House and Congress they cannot seem to do anything about those issues, so they spend all their time whining about "disrespect." Perhaps they should show some respect themselves, instead of demanding it from other people.
    No respect for the flag, no respect for the country it represents. I'd say that's serious.

    Self explanatory.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    No respect for the flag, no respect for the country it represents.
    Wrong. The flag represents certain principles - such as freedom of speech. It is a bigger disrespect to the country to oppose those principles than to act a certain way concerning the flag. As I indicated, the complainers are upset that they are being disrespected, not on behalf of the flag. Merely kneeling is not any kind of disrespect, except those who do not like the message being expressed.

    Of course, the kneeling is being done during the national anthem rather than the Pledge of Allegiance. But the same free speech principle applies either way. You are upset because you think you are being disrespected, not on behalf of anyone or anything else, because you do not like the message. Any statement to the contrary is simply disingenuous.

    Again, you would think there are no actual issues the government needs to deal with, from such complaints, instead of the government deflecting to something purely emotional in order to distract from its paralyzation, ineffectiveness and inability to agree with itself what it needs to do despite being controlled by a single party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Wrong. The flag represents certain principles - such as freedom of speech. It is a bigger disrespect to the country to oppose those principles than to act a certain way concerning the flag. As I indicated, the complainers are upset that they are being disrespected, not on behalf of the flag. Merely kneeling is not any kind of disrespect, except those who do not like the message being expressed.

    Of course, the kneeling is being done during the national anthem rather than the Pledge of Allegiance. But the same free speech principle applies either way. You are upset because you think you are being disrespected, not on behalf of anyone or anything else, because you do not like the message. Any statement to the contrary is simply disingenuous.

    Again, you would think there are no actual issues the government needs to deal with, from such complaints, instead of the government deflecting to something purely emotional in order to distract from its paralyzation, ineffectiveness and inability to agree with itself what it needs to do despite being controlled by a single party.
    Hmmm, Africa is a hell hole. Mexico is a failed narco state where the real power resides with drug cartels so it isn't much better. The last time I was there I was robbed by the police! The communists managed to kill 100 million people in the 20th century. It makes me wonder about your cultural values.

    I'm not much of a patriot these days. I don't much care for Washington or the political elite who own it.

    Still, I don't disrespect the flag. That's behavior best left to Democratic party demographics.

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