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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    True but you have admit the GOP is having a really hard time not getting anything passed, all the infighting, and a president that attacks his on party
    This has been coming a long time. I remember it starting back under GW with the fiscal conservatives thinking he spent like a drunken sailor. Now that some of them are in power they are fighting with the old established "country club republicans." Totally different factions. I think it will be chaotic for a while and they hopefully will figure out what they need to do. The older established GOPers McCain, Collins, McConnell wont be around much more I doubt any of them will even run again. It will be newbies coming into the mix. Lots of new GOP governors out there who want to run.
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    So I was watching a clip of Bannon the other day and I got to thinking about the Tea Party/alt right/ultra conservative wing of the Republicans party and after all this time I still don't know what they're for. Early on they made everything about the character of politicians and attacked both Democrats and "establishment" Republicans relentlessly and while they replaced a lot of reps, they never made any progress policy wise.

    Roy Moore winning the primary in Alabama tells me they are still stuck on the idea that politicians reflect their values in a loud voice and it seems nothing beyond that is expected of them. I don't see the point of all this knee jerk rejection of traditional politicians.

    Republicans keep voting for people who do nothing more than continue to criticize the government without ever having to step up and figure out how to run it in a way consistent with the so called principles they never shut up about.

    And Bannon promises more! Why? What's the end game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    The GOP doesn’t have to get anything passed. They have demonstrated that demonizing the Democratic Party as well as just “discussing” repealing PPACA wins elections and maintaining power is the ultimate goal. Why pass a bill when red state constituents keep re-electing reps to Washington without major legislative accomplishments.
    I also think the GOP excels at culture war, the anthem protests, guns etc. Look at the VA gubernatorial election, I saw parts of the debate and nothing was really discussed except guns, confederate statues and the anthem protests. Voters didn't get much info on any policy. If the GOP wins there despite it all, then why run on policy if culture wars work? Nothing has to get done if they just tell voters "we agree with you on these terrible issues" and they can win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This has been coming a long time. I remember it starting back under GW with the fiscal conservatives thinking he spent like a drunken sailor. Now that some of them are in power they are fighting with the old established "country club republicans." Totally different factions. I think it will be chaotic for a while and they hopefully will figure out what they need to do. The older established GOPers McCain, Collins, McConnell wont be around much more I doubt any of them will even run again. It will be newbies coming into the mix. Lots of new GOP governors out there who want to run.
    McConnell once excuse his leadership under Bush and the spending they did by saying something to the effect of "everyone was deficit spending then". Then the minute Obama is elected he's complaining about the debt. I can't say I'm sad to see him being attacked by his own party. The man is reprehensible and what he did in holding Scalia's seat open to usher Gorsuch in is unforgivable to me. I have nothing but contempt for the man because IMO he embodies everything I don't like about Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    So I was watching a clip of Bannon the other day and I got to thinking about the Tea Party/alt right/ultra conservative wing of the Republicans party and after all this time I still don't know what they're for. Early on they made everything about the character of politicians and attacked both Democrats and "establishment" Republicans relentlessly and while they replaced a lot of reps, they never made any progress policy wise.

    Roy Moore winning the primary in Alabama tells me they are still stuck on the idea that politicians reflect their values in a loud voice and it seems nothing beyond that is expected of them. I don't see the point of all this knee jerk rejection of traditional politicians.

    Republicans keep voting for people who do nothing more than continue to criticize the government without ever having to step up and figure out how to run it in a way consistent with the so called principles they never shut up about.

    And Bannon promises more! Why? What's the end game?
    Like I said above, its all a culture war. "We agree with you on guns, religion, faith, immigration etc." That sort of thing. They don't have to actually do anything. Polls show when you talk about actual policies, a majority of Americans agree with the democrats. But then one of these social issues come up and they refuse to vote for them. I have known so many people who agree 100% with the democratic candidate but then say something like "but they want to ban guns," or "they don't respect my religion." Its definitely becoming more of an issue with so many older boomers now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I also think the GOP excels at culture war, the anthem protests, guns etc. Look at the VA gubernatorial election, I saw parts of the debate and nothing was really discussed except guns, confederate statues and the anthem protests. Voters didn't get much info on any policy. If the GOP wins there despite it all, then why run on policy if culture wars work? Nothing has to get done if they just tell voters "we agree with you on these terrible issues" and they can win.
    Let’s take that theory a step further. Red states and district voters tend to allow their state reps and governors not to expand on Medicaid, but advocate for the 2nd amendment. When owning a firearm is more important to a voting bloc than going to a doctor, it speaks volumes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    McConnell once excuse his leadership under Bush and the spending they did by saying something to the effect of "everyone was deficit spending then". Then the minute Obama is elected he's complaining about the debt. I can't say I'm sad to see him being attacked by his own party. The man is reprehensible and what he did in holding Scalia's seat open to usher Gorsuch in is unforgivable to me. I have nothing but contempt for the man because IMO he embodies everything I don't like about Republicans.
    There has been an obvious economic shift in the US political scene. Former blue collar union towns are all now red and wealthy Ivy league college towns that used to be red are now all blue. So the McConnells, Bushes, Romneys etc just don't relate to the "new GOP" who is more likely to not have gone to college and drives a truck. They think they are elitist snobs now. So we are likely to see more "plain" people trying to run. Not ones that graduated from Philips Exeter Prep school. Those days are gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Let’s take that theory a step further. Red states and district voters tend to allow their state reps and governors not to expand on Medicaid, but advocate for the 2nd amendment. When owning a firearm is more important to a voting bloc than going to a doctor, it speaks volumes!
    It does and its something I really don't understand. Its in part why I am independent now. I just cant see the logic in that. But I do get it. These people don't have a lot in life, little money, no college degrees. They live for the time when they can hunt, go four wheeling, fishing etc. They never went to the doctors to begin with. We have lots of people who have spouses that are nurses or friends and when they get hurt they call them to their house and let them help them. They don't go to a doctor. So to them, medical care is something for rich people. My next door neighbor brags about not going to the doctor in "over 30 years." Its like a badge of honor. Its a strange phenomenon but that's the reality of some of them. Guns are more important than healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    They are all SCARED SHITLESS. The biggest wimp of them all is MC CONNELL. He should be old enough not to give a shit--he has his 'government pension for life' not to mention a rich wife. Ryan is still a newbie and wants a career so he is keeping his head AS LOW AS POSSIBLE so as to not to draw fire. With a REPUBLICAN president have you EVER seen a Speaker go into hiding like this? The party leadership is rendered IMPOTENT as they fight with their head, Trump and his scary hit man, BANNON.

    It's over for the rest of the year. Nothing is going to get done until after NOV 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    There has been an obvious economic shift in the US political scene. Former blue collar union towns are all now red and wealthy Ivy league college towns that used to be red are now all blue. So the McConnells, Bushes, Romneys etc just don't relate to the "new GOP" who is more likely to not have gone to college and drives a truck. They think they are elitist snobs now. So we are likely to see more "plain" people trying to run. Not ones that graduated from Philips Exeter Prep school. Those days are gone.
    LOL, then they have to hire staffers to wade through the legislation because they don't understand it!

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