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    Mueller has enough evidence already

    No smoking gun is necessary to prove the Trump campaign committed a crime.
    Mueller already has enough to prove a conspiracy case against much of the Trump campaign personnel.
    The conspiracy itself is the crime and all that's needed.

    Conspiracy cases only require the government to prove:
    A. 2 or more people conspired to commit an illegal act.
    B. At least one of the co-conspirators committed at least one overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. (Mueller can already prove many such overt acts)

    Voila!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No smoking gun is necessary to prove collusion.
    Mueller already has enough to prove a conspiracy case against much of the Trump campaign personnel.
    The conspiracy is the crime and all that's needed.
    Show the law that says collusion is illegal. The collusion is more likely the Russians and democrats. As always you spew opinions and no proof

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show the law that says collusion is illegal.
    The same laws that make it illegal to try to rig an election by tampering with votes is applicable here.
    Collusion is really just a non-legal word meaning conspiracy.

    Any lawyers online here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The same laws that make it illegal to try to rig an election by tampering with votes is applicable here.
    Collusion is really just a non-legal word meaning conspiracy.

    Any lawyers online here?
    I will take that as you have no proof

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...llusion-215366

    https://www.politicalstorm.com/collusion-not-illegal/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show the law that says collusion is illegal. The collusion is more likely the Russians and democrats. As always you spew opinions and no proof
    We have 4 indictments against Trump's campaign people (add Mike Flynn) within the first year of this administration.
    We have 2 known flippers George Papadopoulos and Trump's campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis.

    It's a good guess that Trump will WIN the most number of crooks, even over Reagan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show the law that says collusion is illegal. The collusion is more likely the Russians and democrats. As always you spew opinions and no proof
    The OP said collusion, but gave the circumstances of conspiracy. Collusion is a term used to mean those conspiring.

    There are tons of federal statutes on conspiracy to commit.

    In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act must also have been undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The OP said collusion, but gave the circumstances of conspiracy. Collusion is a term used to mean those conspiring.

    There are tons of federal statutes on conspiracy to commit.
    There are any number of federal laws against tampering with federal elections. Here are some: https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...tbook-0507.pdf

    Public records already prove both the Kremlin and the Trump campaign wanted to collude/conspire against HRC to get Trump elected.

    One of the many overt act in furtherance of this conspiracy was the infamous Trump Tower meeting attended by admitted agents of the Kremlin and Trump's campaign manager, his son and SIL.

    There is enough provable evidence right here to warrant indictments and arrest warrants being issued and served immediately!

    Mueller obviously has more than this and is working on finding the final piece of evidence to bring Trump and his cartel down with a crash.......Direct evidence of D' J. Trump's conspiring along with his criminal cronies and criminal family.


    Time is of the essence here Special Counsel Mueller.......give this country a great Christmas present and end this nightmare before Santa flies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    We have 4 indictments against Trump's campaign people (add Mike Flynn) within the first year of this administration.
    We have 2 known flippers George Papadopoulos and Trump's campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis.

    It's a good guess that Trump will WIN the most number of crooks, even over Reagan.
    You have nothing on Trump. This is more useless indictments that have nothing to do with Trump or Russia. Papadopoulos is a liar and nor credible

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The OP said collusion, but gave the circumstances of conspiracy. Collusion is a term used to mean those conspiring.

    There are tons of federal statutes on conspiracy to commit.
    Problem is there is no conspiracy. Mueller will have lots to prove. His indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the Russians alleged involvement in the election.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...llenges-244538

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    There are any number of federal laws against tampering with federal elections. Here are some: https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...tbook-0507.pdf

    Public records already prove both the Kremlin and the Trump campaign wanted to collude/conspire against HRC to get Trump elected.

    One of the many overt act in furtherance of this conspiracy was the infamous Trump Tower meeting attended by admitted agents of the Kremlin and Trump's campaign manager, his son and SIL.

    There is enough provable evidence right here to warrant indictments and arrest warrants being issued and served immediately!

    Mueller obviously has more than this and is working on finding the final piece of evidence to bring Trump and his cartel down with a crash.......Direct evidence of D' J. Trump's conspiring along with his criminal cronies and criminal family.


    Time is of the essence here Special Counsel Mueller.......give this country a great Christmas present and end this nightmare before Santa flies.
    You are spewing democrat lies. There is more proof of Hillary tampering with the election than Trump. Hillary has more connections to Russia than Trump

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