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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...cid=spartanntp

    I find this to be strange and alarming... so a company pulls ads from a show due to sexual misconduct and somehow they are the badguys? What the fuck happened to the family values party?
    Think your brush is going waaay broader than it should be.

    Overall i'd say many more conservative would like to see Moore go away than not.


    As for the GOP party itself. The only "sorta good" thing that could happen is if Moore got hit by a bus between now and election day. It is a very awkward situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    There should be jail time handed out for being a sycophant. Our system rewards a lot of things we claim we do not admire, doesn't it?

    Why would you bother specifying one "wing" or another? Oh, right...
    Because blind partisan loyalty is much more pervasive problem than just on the right wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Think your brush is going waaay broader than it should be.

    Overall i'd say many more conservative would like to see Moore go away than not.


    As for the GOP party itself. The only "sorta good" thing that could happen is if Moore got hit by a bus between now and election day. It is a very awkward situation.
    I think your right to some degree... I saw something that bothered me and I posted a knee-jerk topic. Still, doesn't it feel like the sensible conservatives are losing the culture war with the radical ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I think your right to some degree... I saw something that bothered me and I posted a knee-jerk topic. Still, doesn't it feel like the sensible conservatives are losing the culture war with the radical ones?
    Hope not. And i really don't think so.

    But the radical ones are much more sensational/attractive to the news media and do steal the spotlight.


    (Can't blame the media for that. I'd run with the nazi stories also if i were them....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Hope not. And i really don't think so.

    But the radical ones are much more sensational/attractive to the news media and do steal the spotlight.


    (Can't blame the media for that. I'd run with the nazi stories also if i were them....)
    So that said... do you think its fair to say that there is a public interest in a more factual media? Would there be a way to regulate the media, so that their first amendment rights were not impinged upon, but that it were made clear what was news, what was opinion, and what was fiction? I think a large number of folks have a hard time telling the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    So that said... do you think its fair to say that there is a public interest in a more factual media? Would there be a way to regulate the media, so that their first amendment rights were not impinged upon, but that it were made clear what was news, what was opinion, and what was fiction? I think a large number of folks have a hard time telling the difference.
    It's not black or white fact vs. fiction. Bias comes through in every shade of gray. It can even come through inadvertently. It is not easy to present a complete and balanced story. There's no way to regulate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    For a great many, it does. The loyalty is virtually unbreakable. The left wing has oodles like this too.

    There is loyalty like this at the highest levels of government too. You know what aides and staffers and up and coming politicians get in return for absolute unquestioning loyalty? Security, money, power, favors. It is currency.
    to boil it all down, it's all about control and who has it. those in control make/change the rules and laws - thos without it wait for their turn to do the same thing. my question about all this is "when do the citizens have the control?' - but that would involve eliminating political parties and divorcing oneself from ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    to boil it all down, it's all about control and who has it. those in control make/change the rules and laws - thos without it wait for their turn to do the same thing. my question about all this is "when do the citizens have the control?' - but that would involve eliminating political parties and divorcing oneself from ideology.
    The citizens won't ever really have "the control" at the federal level. Too much noise, too many people, too many layers of separation, 150,000,000 people with opinions. People have greater control and influence at the state and local levels. But people don't click on their cable news channels or visit the cable news websites and see good analysis and commentary of state and local level issues. Plenty of decent material is out there, but you have to go and find it and do the work to follow it.

    So I think it's a cultural problem. People are satisfied to hear about the sensationalized national news stories and their interest in governmental affairs is limited to their personal take on the latest hot-button issue. It's extremely superficial, minimal engagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The citizens won't ever really have "the control" at the federal level. Too much noise, too many people, too many layers of separation, 150,000,000 people with opinions. People have greater control and influence at the state and local levels. But people don't click on their cable news channels or visit the cable news websites and see good analysis and commentary of state and local level issues. Plenty of decent material is out there, but you have to go and find it and do the work to follow it.

    So I think it's a cultural problem. People are satisfied to hear about the sensationalized national news stories and their interest in governmental affairs is limited to their personal take on the latest hot-button issue. It's extremely superficial, minimal engagement.
    in other words, they can't be bothered to think for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    So that said... do you think its fair to say that there is a public interest in a more factual media? Would there be a way to regulate the media, so that their first amendment rights were not impinged upon, but that it were made clear what was news, what was opinion, and what was fiction? I think a large number of folks have a hard time telling the difference.
    The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (Bill Clinton) and the removal of the fairness doctrine in 1987 (FCC)... that was the pathway to today's "news" market.
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