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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not black or white fact vs. fiction. Bias comes through in every shade of gray. It can even come through inadvertently. It is not easy to present a complete and balanced story. There's no way to regulate this.
    It was regulated for decades, and there were no "fake news" discussions going on back then.
    Opinion television and news reporting have been separated back then, and for good reason.

    One can regulate this.. the US did, very successful, for quite a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    in other words, they can't be bothered to think for themselves.
    They really can't. Low intelligence, personality, laziness, self-centeredness, apathy, for whatever combination of reasons, they are too bored and disinterested in deeper understanding of issues to bother following them. But one thing is decided. They will always vote _____.

    I can always tell when the cable news stations are in hyper-obsession mode about the latest circus event based on how many dozens of threads are started about it around here. Count the Roy Moore threads. People are drones about this stuff. Parrots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not black or white fact vs. fiction. Bias comes through in every shade of gray. It can even come through inadvertently. It is not easy to present a complete and balanced story. There's no way to regulate this.
    I don't agree that there is no way to regulate it. Words like fact and opinion have specific meanings, so you can create rules from those meanings. Also, there are some things that have been deliberately posted that likely were known to be untrue. Then you have different outlets... there are some media that are not news and have never been news, but dress their editorials up like it were news. These are things that can be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I think your right to some degree... I saw something that bothered me and I posted a knee-jerk topic. Still, doesn't it feel like the sensible conservatives are losing the culture war with the radical ones?
    The same thing is happening on the left. The moderates are shouted down by the extremists and their voice is lost in the din. Both sides of the spectrum are tending toward the extremes of their ideologies currently, and it is a little disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...cid=spartanntp

    I find this to be strange and alarming... so a company pulls ads from a show due to sexual misconduct and somehow they are the badguys? What the fuck happened to the family values party?
    Which party EVER relied on "family values"? That phrase has always been codespeak for misogyny, homophobia and all-around sexual repression.

    I am stunned Hannity attacked Moore, but Christ on a cracker boys and girls. Didn't conservatives JUST dance in glee when liberals were raked over the coals for appearing to excuse sexual harassment in Hollywood?

    The fact is, nobody actually gives a fuck about sexual harassment apart from those traumatized by it. It is omnipresent in our society and acting as if this is a massive outrage is the height of hypocrisy for all of us.

    We barely even care about sexual assault, even when the victims are children.

    All this posturing going on as if there was some magical field of fucks Americans have been farming for fighting sexism is lol.

    We don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Simple rule of thumb: If a Republican does it, it is OKAY! And rally the troops around 'him'!

    If this is not true, explain to me why Anthony Weiner is in jail?? Or did he lie to the FEDS??
    Weiner is in prison for causing injury to Hillary, making it appear that she is surrounded by sexual deviants and criminals at every turn.

    Which she is, and always has been, but Weiner made it impossible to pretend differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I don't agree that there is no way to regulate it. Words like fact and opinion have specific meanings, so you can create rules from those meanings. Also, there are some things that have been deliberately posted that likely were known to be untrue. Then you have different outlets... there are some media that are not news and have never been news, but dress their editorials up like it were news. These are things that can be fixed.
    Okay well there could be improvements, I will give you that. But there is a lot of soft and subtle spin in how controversial issues are presented. Who gets entrusted to referee all of that?

    It's one thing for literally fabricated and false stories to be presented as news, and another thing for a difficult issue to be presented with ever so slight bias in one direction or another. People who already think that way present it as if it were fact because it leans toward their bias. Others dismiss it outright because it leans away from their bias. That's what I'm saying can't be adequately regulated. There can be standards, but you can only go so far to referee the press and speech, and it's also a problem how to maintain neutrality of whatever entity has responsibility for regulating the message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...cid=spartanntp

    I find this to be strange and alarming... so a company pulls ads from a show due to sexual misconduct and somehow they are the badguys? What the fuck happened to the family values party?
    When family values were no longer politically expedient, they abandoned them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    The same thing is happening on the left. The moderates are shouted down by the extremists and their voice is lost in the din. Both sides of the spectrum are tending toward the extremes of their ideologies currently, and it is a little disturbing.
    It is a bit more than a little disturbing, it is terrifying to watch this happen. It is difficult to be a moderate in today's political climate, the right nor the left accepts them because they are either to left leaning or to right leaning if they disagree or have a different opinion or thought from the extreme views. Moderates are dangerous to an election because they can be swayed and do not align themselves totally with a party. They are most of the time bipartisan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    From my perspective, the specific answer to the topic question is, yes. But such is nothing new in our political arena. During my lifetime, it was suspected during the Kennedy administration, most assuredly during the Clinton administration and continues with the Trump administration. Political agenda overrides.
    The difference is that democrats didn't promote themselves as the party of family values.
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