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    Member LT Greenbean's Avatar
    Oct 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Are you practicing your fictional character or are you just uninformed?

    I'm sure we could find a reason for all parties for testify under oath as to what the truth is, from ANY and ALL angles. While being under oath may not mean much to some, to others, it means having a means to make someone accountable for what they say, when they try to deny it latter on. Perhaps it is time to get the President under oath so much of what is says is "on the record" when it comes to his later, trying to deny it or contradict it, then try to deny he contradicted what he previously said.

    Anyone can call anyone else, a liar, whether they are POTUS or someone calling the POTUS a liar. Providing evidence that anyone calling someone else a liar is true, is a different matter.

    It's sad that in 2017, almost the year 2018, Americans need not only fact checkers, but some, seem to have trouble with believing even those or even words coming directly from the horse's mouth. It certainly would be A LOT less expensive for any enemies of this country to break our nation into pieces by using mistrust as a wedge to do so and creating an atmosphere where no one knows who or what to trust anymore. The best way to do that is to pose as Americans and create wedges, befriend real Americans and plant the seeds of mistrust of other Americans in them or even if interested in causing chaos and a breakdown within one's own nation to then come in and be the "law and order" "leaders" to push one's own agenda and acquire power, what better tool than the internet, things like political forums, blogs, pop-up, click bait boxes, pop-up "media" outlets, etc. where there is really no means for anyone to legitimize what or who is behind them?

    In this case, there is no direct proof that Trump was calling it a fake, but for the Trump being on the record, saying things, he later tries to deny, not to mention all the things he tries to float that have no basis in truth and use the manipulative tool of suggesting that something is proven, because someone cannot disprove it. While that works to the advantage of conspiracy theorists, it also works against them, when they become the subject of an issue.

    While there is no direct proof Donald Trump has told people he thought the audio tape was faked, by his own oft used "logic" and contentions (like his "birther" theory) he can be held BY the same standard he has used to hold others. Not only that, there seems to be more examples of Trump contradicting and denying his own words and possibly actions, than there are of anyone else, doing the same.

    Trump's latest conspiracy? The 'Access Hollywood' tape was a fake! - CNNPolitics

    Trump's own "standards" for others, are coming back to haunt him. Ironically, hypocritically or perhaps expectantly, Trump and many of his supporters do not think that's "fair" or "right". Even worse, he keeps using the same "logic" and keeps doing what he has been doing, then calling it "unfair" or "lies" when others direct the same "logic" or tactics, against him.

    The above tape is all from BEFORE he was elected and elected, in spite of it. It doesn't include all of the BS that has been passed off since then. That enough Americans can and have found enough trust (or sold their souls for being political) is someone like that is shocking, shameful and reflects terribly on our nation and what ANY person with ANY kind of moral or human values stands for. Further, to deny that it goes against what any honest, moral/humane person stands for, only doubles down on the direction we're taking ourselves and I would guarantee, it is NOT something "great".
    Wow Rachel Maddow, you wrote all that for nothing all because I accidentally didn't "reply with quote". Below is what I was referring to.


    I reposted because a couple of posters were saying something was missing,they were not sure what, but something, anything to make Trump look better. They were accusing HayJenn of lying.( She read the transcript 6 times.)

    I do not like my friends being called liars. Not on my watch.

  2. #22
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    Nov 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Did someone claim it wasn't real?

    I've never heard that one before.

    Never seen anyone here claim it wasn't real.
    I am not sure about here, but Trump has claimed it was not real.

    Trump Once Said the ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape Was Real. Now He’s Not Sure.

    Despite his public acknowledgment of the recording’s authenticity in the final days of the presidential campaign — and his hasty videotaped apology under pressure from his advisers — Mr. Trump as president-elect began raising the prospect with allies that it may not have been him on the tape after all.

    Most of Mr. Trump’s aides ignored his changing story. But in January, shortly before his inauguration, Mr. Trump told a Republican senator that he wanted to investigate the recording that had him boasting about grabbing women’s genitals.

    “We don’t think that was my voice,” Mr. Trump told the senator, according to a person familiar with the conversation. Since then, Mr. Trump has continued to suggest that the tape that nearly upended his campaign was not actually him, according to three people close to the president.

    As the issue of sexual harassment has swept through the news media, politics and entertainment industries, Mr. Trump has persisted in denying allegations that he, too, made unwanted advances on multiple women in past years. In recent days, he has continued to seed doubt about his appearance on the “Access Hollywood” tape, stunning his advisers.
    Now you know.
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