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    The Building management corporations also know who is " qualified "
    Sheesh- my Union knows who is qualified- we have so many differant ratings to obtain and keep, many people are specialist.
    This pays little more but does garruntee work.
    Making you overqualified and paid same as " A " journeymman.
    The rest of us wire the buildings you see going up all around the area.
    There are Two hundred of us on the job I'm on.
    Almost done, transfer coming soon. To the hall or to another job. Work picture is fantastic currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Who said anything about corporations? Municipal governments aren’t corporations.

    Should the law be followed, or shouldn’t it?
    I said something about corporations. Whether it's municipal gov't as employer or private enterprise, fed laws are heavily tilted in favor of employers as compared to before Reagan and union busting.

    Point is that the only real leverage that labor used to have as a bargaining chip has gone the way of every other advantage that workers used to have. And since corporations employ huge numbers it's no wonder those tools have gone away.

    Just as tax policy, environmental protections and even personhood have evolved into another impenetrable wall between worker bee and queen bee. When all power has been taken away from labor and handed to employers, labor has to fight in any way they can.

    I say, do what you need to do to carve out a decent living because waiting for corps or gov't at any level to restore fairness to the playing field is a losing game. You can disagree, but I know what I've seen over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I said something about corporations. Whether it's municipal gov't as employer or private enterprise, fed laws are heavily tilted in favor of employers as compared to before Reagan and union busting.
    This topic is about employers rights under the NLRA that have been in place since long before Reagan.

    [quote]Point is that the only real leverage that labor used to have as a bargaining chip has gone the way of every other advantage that workers used to have. And since corporations employ huge numbers it's no wonder those tools have gone away.

    This topic is not about corporations. This is about a public sector unions, a government union, going on strike and lying about it to get around federal law.

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    Update: Oakland, unions to go back to bargaining as strike goes on

    "The city’s final offer Thursday was a slight tweak from its earlier one. Previously, the city said it could offer up to a 2 percent raise in the second year of the contract contingent on revenue growth. Its latest proposed deal would guarantee half that and give an additional 1 percent on Jan. 1, 2019, if revenue targets are met.

    The SEIU’s counteroffer outlined a 4 percent increase in the second year of the contract, with wages increasing by 1 percent in each quarter.

    In her letter announcing the impasse, City Administrator Sabrina Landreth said Oakland could not reasonably afford what the union was proposing. She said some of the union’s demands were outside the scope of bargaining, and described the disagreement on wages as a “persistent gulf between the parties.”"

    But it's somehow not an economic strike. Truly amazing.

    The city should keep them striking for as long as it takes. Do not budge. Many union members absolutely hate striking and resent their union for making them do it. Many tire of it quickly. Many want to just return to work, but under union pressure feel they cannot. Workers often do not like going without paychecks just so that they act as puppets for their union bosses in the streets of Oakland. They want to work, they don't want this dissension and controversy, and they don't like this. The union is using them, so let them strike. The support from within for the strike will unravel.

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    More examples of unions cowardly lying about why they're on strike:

    Chicago Teachers Union Goes On Strike In Response To Alleged Unfair Labor Practices - That's an economic strike.

    Union workers in South Brunswick hold unfair labor practice strike

    "They are not bargaining in good faith. We've been negotiating for over seven months and the increase they want to give us is a disgrace."
    That's an economic strike. You want more money, that's an economic strike. It's not an unfair labor practice to not give you whatever you want in collective bargaining negotiations.

    Chicago teachers launch one-day strike

    Teachers are holding a one-day strike on Friday to call for more education funding.
    That's an economic strike. How an elected legislative body budgets for education is not an unfair labor practice. You want more money, that's an economic strike.

    Asarco union says strike is over unfair labor practices

    Some 750 workers at the Ray Mine at Kearny, Ariz., and Asarco's concentrator at nearby Hayden walked off the job a day after their contract expired June 30.
    That's an economic strike.

    HOUSTON (Reuters) - The United Steelworkers union said on Saturday the strike by U.S. refinery workers is expanding to two more plants early on Sunday due to unfair labor practices by oil companies.

    "We regret that we have been unable to reach a mutually satisfactory agreement with the USW prior to contract expiration," said Shell spokesman Ray Fisher. "We remain committed to resolving the remaining issues through collective bargaining at the bargaining table."
    Economic strike.

    Union officials accuse Bath Iron Works of unfair labor practices - Economic
    County Employees Union Intends To Go On Strike Over ‘Unfair Labor Practices’ - Economic
    Maryville hospital nurses could strike Monday, claim unfair labor practices - Economic

    Countless, countless examples of unions lying about the basis of their strike activities. In fact I have yet to find a legitimate unfair labor practice strike. All I can find are economic strikes that unions simply state are over unfair labor practices, which they only choose to cry foul over at the moment an inherently economic collective bargaining negotiation session doesn't go their way. They're violating federal law, it's just that in this country we apparently don't make unions follow labor laws. We don't enforce our own laws when it comes to unions. They violate the law without consequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    More examples of unions cowardly lying about why they're on strike:

    Chicago Teachers Union Goes On Strike In Response To Alleged Unfair Labor Practices - That's an economic strike.



    That's an economic strike. You want more money, that's an economic strike. It's not an unfair labor practice to not give you whatever you want in collective bargaining negotiations.



    That's an economic strike. How an elected legislative body budgets for education is not an unfair labor practice. You want more money, that's an economic strike.



    That's an economic strike.



    Economic strike.

    Union officials accuse Bath Iron Works of unfair labor practices - Economic
    County Employees Union Intends To Go On Strike Over ‘Unfair Labor Practices’ - Economic
    Maryville hospital nurses could strike Monday, claim unfair labor practices - Economic

    Countless, countless examples of unions lying about the basis of their strike activities. In fact I have yet to find a legitimate unfair labor practice strike. All I can find are economic strikes that unions simply state are over unfair labor practices, which they only choose to cry foul over at the moment an inherently economic collective bargaining negotiation session doesn't go their way. They're violating federal law, it's just that in this country we apparently don't make unions follow labor laws. We don't enforce our own laws when it comes to unions. They violate the law without consequence.
    The economy is booming, according to our dear leader. Why shouldn't workers demand wage increases?

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    Unions cowardly lie about why they go on strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    The economy is booming, according to our dear leader. Why shouldn't workers demand wage increases?
    Those examples go back years and years and have nothing to do with the current economy or President. But they can demand whatever economic terms feel like demanding. The employer still has to be willing to pay it in order for an agreement to be reached. And when the employer isn't willing to pay what the union is demanding during collective bargaining negotiations, an agreement isn't reached, and going on strike over that is called an economic strike, not an "unfair labor practice strike." That distinction is important. We constantly allow unions to pretend their strike is not about economics, by refusing to follow or enforce the NLRA when it comes to this.
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