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    Unions cowardly lie about why they go on strike

    State and federal labor boards need to stop allowing unions to literally lie about why they're going on strike. Most strikes happen when negotiations stall, and most negotiations stall because of financial subjects of bargaining. This makes most strikes that occur after stalled negotiations inherently economic strikes. However unions can also go on strike to protest unfair labor practices. The alleged reason for striking matters to the union. Even when their strike is clearly and plainly economic, they look for or make up any excuse they can for their strike to be labeled an "unfair labor practice strike." Why?

    Because under federal law employers can permanently replace economic strikers. Employees who go on strike because they aren't getting the money they want out of the employer can be permanently replaced. They cannot be "fired" per se, but they are not entitled to getting their job back when they seek reinstatement. But if employees are striking to protest an unfair labor practice claim, they cannot be permanently replaced.

    So unions lie about why they strike. Here's the playbook, literally: Making Sure a Strike Centers on Unfair Labor Practices - Labor Notes

    Latest example, look what SEIU says about its strike: City of Oakland Workers Strike to Protest Unfair Labor Practices and Inadequate City Services

    On Thursday, November 2, City of Oakland members went on strike to protest the City’s unfair labor practices and failures of leadership on homelessness, illegal dumping, and abuse of temporary, part-time workers without basic workplace rights and protections.
    Wow, that's a lot of random different things to be going on strike about. What's really going on here?

    Oakland workers prepare to strike Tuesday as labor negotiations hit standstill - SFGate
    Labor unions representing more than 3,000 city workers in Oakland said they will go on strike starting Tuesday after negotiations came to a halt Monday afternoon.

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    The union agreed with the city’s first-year contract proposal, which would increase wages by 4 percent, retroactive to July 1. The parties dispute what should happen next: the city has offered future salary increases tied to its revenue growth, but the union wants a more secure deal.
    Golly, that sounds awfully economic to me. What strange timing that some random-ass bunch of other unfair labor practice allegations happen to surface the moment negotiations over monetary provisions stall?

    Why do we constantly allow unions to literally and blatantly lie and skirt the law?

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    So, you would like your salary tied to a bench mark they the city set.
    Tell your employer now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    So, you would like your salary tied to a bench mark they the city set.
    Tell your employer now.
    This isn't about me, it's about state and federal labor boards unquestioningly letting unions lie about why they're going on strike so that those unions can skirt federal labor law and deprive employers of their rights under strike conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This isn't about me, it's about state and federal labor boards unquestioningly letting unions lie about why they're going on strike so that those unions can skirt federal labor law and deprive employers of their rights under strike conditions.
    Mr. Neomalthusian,

    Oakland city workers went on strike today...As of 12:00, nobody has noticed the difference.

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    Unions are pretty much destroyed in the private sector, the same needs to happen in the public sector to complete the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Unions are pretty much destroyed in the private sector, the same needs to happen in the public sector to complete the job.
    Construction unions are really the only place they make sense.
    To have a highly trained workforce build the future.
    In my line, new construction, improvements to supply and use of electricity just means more work for us. Lights used to be controlled by electricity only, now, cat 5 is also supplied to each light. You have normal power system and emergency power. These two, must be kept seperate. ( twice the work also )
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    Talk about lies, what about the constant lies companies use to try to screw workers out of fair pay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Construction unions are really the only place they make sense.
    To have a highly trained workforce build the future.
    In my line, new construction, improvements to supply and use of electricity just means more work for us. Lights used to be controlled by electricity only, now, cat 5 is also supplied to each light. You have normal power system and emergency power. These two, must be kept seperate. ( twice the work also )
    Mr. Loki,

    So true. The trades union does exactly what a union is suppose to do. Since most construction jobs are short term, a person in the trades does not generally work for one company. The union collects the pension, health care, leave credit, etc. that a worker would normally get from the company's HR department. They ensure that the worker is properly trained, going through a long and rigorous apprentice program, and steps into journeyman, each of which require time in service and training classes. The union also negotiates prevailing wages such that the trades know they are getting paid well. Union trade workers are more expensive to an employer, but the Contractor always knows that he is getting a skilled worker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    State and federal labor boards need to stop allowing unions to literally lie about why they're going on strike. Most strikes happen when negotiations stall, and most negotiations stall because of financial subjects of bargaining. This makes most strikes that occur after stalled negotiations inherently economic strikes. However unions can also go on strike to protest unfair labor practices. The alleged reason for striking matters to the union. Even when their strike is clearly and plainly economic, they look for or make up any excuse they can for their strike to be labeled an "unfair labor practice strike." Why?

    Because under federal law employers can permanently replace economic strikers. Employees who go on strike because they aren't getting the money they want out of the employer can be permanently replaced. They cannot be "fired" per se, but they are not entitled to getting their job back when they seek reinstatement. But if employees are striking to protest an unfair labor practice claim, they cannot be permanently replaced.

    So unions lie about why they strike. Here's the playbook, literally: Making Sure a Strike Centers on Unfair Labor Practices - Labor Notes

    Latest example, look what SEIU says about its strike: City of Oakland Workers Strike to Protest Unfair Labor Practices and Inadequate City Services



    Wow, that's a lot of random different things to be going on strike about. What's really going on here?

    Oakland workers prepare to strike Tuesday as labor negotiations hit standstill - SFGate

    Golly, that sounds awfully economic to me. What strange timing that some random-ass bunch of other unfair labor practice allegations happen to surface the moment negotiations over monetary provisions stall?

    Why do we constantly allow unions to literally and blatantly lie and skirt the law?
    Yeah, workers are so unfair to corporations. It's shameful, that's what it is. Someone needs to give corporations a fair deal, right? LOL

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    Unions cowardly lie about why they go on strike

    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Yeah, workers are so unfair to corporations. It's shameful, that's what it is. Someone needs to give corporations a fair deal, right? LOL
    Who said anything about corporations? Municipal governments aren’t corporations.

    Should the law be followed, or shouldn’t it?

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