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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
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    What people seem to forget is that Mueller is investigating the possibly of Russian colluding in the campaign but not only the Republican side but the Democrat side as well . Mueller is looking into both side to see if Russia helped either one . He is now focused on the Republicans but next will be the Democrats , so get ready this is far from over .
    The bullshit investigations of Democrats have been ongoing since 2008, and have rendered no prosecutable charges. Mueller has already gotten guilty pleas as a result of the current investigation of the Trump administration. So get ready, as this is indeed far from over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    One of the comments from article:

    What people seem to forget is that Mueller is investigating the possibly of Russian colluding in the campaign but not only the Republican side but the Democrat side as well . Mueller is looking into both side to see if Russia helped either one . He is now focused on the Republicans but next will be the Democrats , so get ready this is far from over .
    Anybody colluding with a foreign govt as a private citizen trying to undermine the sitting President is guilty of a crime. Going along with a foreign power and endorsing the distribution of stolen material damaging to your opponent is a crime. If they have a D or an R or an I next to their name it will not matter.

    So far all the people charged have been connected to Trump. I’d expect that this is a sign of more to come. I don’t see a D colluding to lose the election. That is just not logical no matter how you shake it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Anybody colluding with a foreign govt as a private citizen trying to undermine the sitting President is guilty of a crime. Going along with a foreign power and endorsing the distribution of stolen material damaging to your opponent is a crime. If they have a D or an R or an I next to their name it will not matter.

    So far all the people charged have been connected to Trump. I’d expect that this is a sign of more to come. I don’t see a D colluding to lose the election. That is just not logical no matter how you shake it.
    So far. Will Mueller look into other dealings with Russia? Dossier, uranium sales to an adversary? How wide can he go ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well the changing tide there is NeverTrump republicans like McCain, who are starting to question Muellers staff. It now looks like 3 could be let go for being overly partisan. That bodes poorly.
    Partisanship, cuts in more ways than one. Firing Comey, then Mueller, then anyone who expresses anything negative about "the king", BY "the king", might not bode well either, but in a different way.

    Mueller, so far, seems to be doing what anyone who sees those associated with them, as presenting bias, in a justice (remember, Lady Justice is blind, for reasons that should be obvious) setting, should do. Trump, on the other hand, seems all about partisanship to the point he jeopardizes his own orders (for example his tweets and tweeted videos, about Muslims, adding to the validity that his travel ban is aimed at the Islamic religion, rather than national security).

    In spite of the NUMEROUS people (in a relative sense) associated with the Trump campaign who failed to disclose their meetings and contacts with agents associated with a foreign government (Russia) (mere "coincidence"?), it took some pressure before they were released from duty or fired and Jared Kushner still remains as a senior adviser to his father in-law.

    There is nothing illegal about meeting with foreigners, the illegality is to NOT disclose those contacts and meetings and it appears not one, but quite a number of people relative to a single campaign, associated with Trump and the Trump campaign failed to disclose or claim to "not recall" their meetings/contacts and in some cases, failed several times, to do so,
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    And Fox and Murdoch are trying to orchestrate it. Party over country, indeed.
    I've only seen Hannity in bits and pieces but he is batshit crazy trying to defend this. Wonder what Trump has offered him.

    HAS ANYONE GOTTEN A COPY OF TRUMP'S MAR-A-LAGO OFFICIAL MEMBERSHIP LIST YET?

    USA Today, Sept 16

    Members of the clubs Trump has visited most often as president — in Florida, New Jersey and Virginia — include at least 50 executives whose companies hold federal contracts and 21 lobbyists and trade group officials. Two-thirds played on one of the 58 days the president was there, according to scores they posted online.

    Because membership lists at Trump’s clubs are secret, the public has until now been unable to assess the conflicts they could create. USA TODAY found the names of 4,500 members by reviewing social media and a public website golfers use to track their handicaps, then researched and contacted hundreds to determine whether they had business with the government.

    Members of the clubs Trump has visited most often as president — in Florida, New Jersey and Virginia — include at least 50 executives whose companies hold federal contracts and 21 lobbyists and trade group officials. Two-thirds played on one of the 58 days the president was there, according to scores they posted online.

    Because membership lists at Trump’s clubs are secret, the public has until now been unable to assess the conflicts they could create. USA TODAY found the names of 4,500 members by reviewing social media and a public website golfers use to track their handicaps, then researched and contacted hundreds to determine whether they had business with the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Why would you expect any less, the Wall Street Journal is just another tool in Murdoch's tool box.

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    You think that Mueller hiding this information from congress was in any way ethical?

    I've told you guys that his whole investigation is going to be tossed because of this.

    He should have known better than lie to Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    So far. Will Mueller look into other dealings with Russia? Dossier, uranium sales to an adversary? How wide can he go ?
    The Dossier for sure, its the actual blueprint for the investigation. Uranium sales, no that's not part of it. That is up to Sessions and he has made it pretty clear there is nothing there there.

    I found a link with the actual testimony. Sessions talking at 3:36:42 to 3:39 when he says basically Rosenstien was not involved in the Uranium one deal

    https://youtu.be/EvnLDYwGSsE?t=12997

    I have written out what Sessions says, watch the video and see him for yourself.

    "Mr. Chairman I would just note the matter that was persecuted was concerning Uranium Russian business was 2 years after this (Sevious?) investigation when Mr Rosenstein worked on, brought to his office. It was unrelated to the allegations of uranium one investigation as I understand it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You think that Mueller hiding this information from congress was in any way ethical?

    I've told you guys that his whole investigation is going to be tossed because of this.

    He should have known better than lie to Congress.
    Mueller doesn't report to Congress, he reports to Rosenstein. Mueller has not testified in front of Congress about the investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Mueller doesn't report to Congress, he reports to Rosenstein.
    Keeping this hushed up was a big no-no.

    Now hes in trouble and rightfully so.

    He should have disclosed this from the beginning, as soon as he knew about it.

    Are you claiming it was ok to keep this information to himself?

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