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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    It's just your bias. Your mind intentionally blocks instances where you've been corrected. In your mind, you're always right. Which is why you can't 'remember' any times your mind has been changed. You're now alone. There are millions like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Seems we mostly argue in circles ... and seems we often draw our own lines deeper during the arguments.

    But in my case, political forums did cause a change in me. It started at another forum. There was a beleaguered Republican whom few accepted as a Republican because he supported unions. His name was Jake.

    He is the one who brought my attention to how Republican policies were hollowing out the middle class and leading to more working poor who needed government help in spite of holding full-time jobs. The Walmart model, where exploitative companies raked in the profits while their rank and file employees filed for food stamps.

    And he helped bring my attention to how, as Republican policies were helping to create more working poor, so-called fiscal conservatives were also trying to shrink the safety nets for these people whom they were helping to push into financial straits.



    Jake was a major factor in how I got past my scorn for Occupy Wall Street and became open to the messages of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
    I really don't think so, you can be compassionate for a person relative to personal experience, that being said, political viewpoints are cemented by actions, not words.

    Or, they are swayed by actions not words.

    There is so much garbage information on the net, it's required reading to filter out the flotsam and jetsam, to me, I can listen to the opposing point of view, but authoritarian re-enforcement of a political ideal is not going to sway a person like me.

    I've debated true conservatives, in the past, and listened to their opinions, however, they must be based on fact, not supposition nor opinion. The opinion portion of the argument is where the facts get colored by the need for conviction.

    I'd rather watch the actions and decide from there if my meter needs re-calibration,

    That being said, I am all ears on this thread. I've seen one poster already attacked or five cent psychoanalyze another; there's a wasted read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Seems we mostly argue in circles ... and seems we often draw our own lines deeper during the arguments.

    But in my case, political forums did cause a change in me. It started at another forum. There was a beleaguered Republican whom few accepted as a Republican because he supported unions. His name was Jake.

    He is the one who brought my attention to how Republican policies were hollowing out the middle class and leading to more working poor who needed government help in spite of holding full-time jobs. The Walmart model, where exploitative companies raked in the profits while their rank and file employees filed for food stamps.

    And he helped bring my attention to how, as Republican policies were helping to create more working poor, so-called fiscal conservatives were also trying to shrink the safety nets for these people whom they were helping to push into financial straits.



    Jake was a major factor in how I got past my scorn for Occupy Wall Street and became open to the messages of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
    I have learned a lot on the political message boards. Reading posts on the board made me interested in the Federal Reserve Board, our tax system, the role banks and corporations play in our political system and just how powerful (hidden) organizations/people are in our lives.
    I never would have heard of these things if not for the message boards. I still study these issues and I understand the political process so much better now. So, yes political forums can change hearts and minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Seems we mostly argue in circles ... and seems we often draw our own lines deeper during the arguments.

    But in my case, political forums did cause a change in me. It started at another forum. There was a beleaguered Republican whom few accepted as a Republican because he supported unions. His name was Jake.

    He is the one who brought my attention to how Republican policies were hollowing out the middle class and leading to more working poor who needed government help in spite of holding full-time jobs. The Walmart model, where exploitative companies raked in the profits while their rank and file employees filed for food stamps.

    And he helped bring my attention to how, as Republican policies were helping to create more working poor, so-called fiscal conservatives were also trying to shrink the safety nets for these people whom they were helping to push into financial straits.



    Jake was a major factor in how I got past my scorn for Occupy Wall Street and became open to the messages of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
    I used to be a libertarian conservative. I changed because I got tired of making arguments that made me feel like an asshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    People have to be open to it. The common thread I see among forum members (any forum) is a severe immediate defensiveness - which doesn't present the most stable ground for thought provoking conversation. Even in opening posts you will see the need to guard one's self even if they think they are correct.

    That said, I don't think there is much to change in my heart when the majority of posts are about how much one person hates another person. Day after day that can't be healthy to read, but especially to write. I guess hate is okay... sometimes.
    Johnflesh, I must respectfully disagree. Hate is NEVER OK.

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    My personal opinion (and that's pretty much what all of my posts amount to, my thoughts and reasons for them - sometimes backed up by others with the same thoughts and reasons for them) is that simply being partisan and political causes problems of their own making. There are many I know who are simply backers of the same party and all candidates of that party, because their parents were the same. I know others who were taught certain rights, from wrongs and they live their lives based on following those principles, values and mores and others who follow them as well, regardless of what their political party affiliation they are or anyone else is?

    Shouldn't we all be thinking independently of how others tell us to think? As far as I have been able to tell, MOST of the people I have ever met, have the same basic desires in life and most have the same behavioral ideals about how they want others to treat them, yet some seem to think it is okay to throw all their values and principles away, to get what profits them personally.

    For example, who does NOT want a tax cut, based on the simple thought of paying less taxes? But a tax cut that harms others in need or is made so some part of our life supporting planet can be exploited and destroyed in trade, takes on a different meaning and may assault my (and anyone else's) principles regarding harm to others and our life supporting environment. This is why it seems important that people consider more than just what fits within 280 character (what used to be only 140 character) Tweets. It's easy to say "tax cuts will be a great present to you". That story changes when it is explained that in order for you to get a tax cut, you or someone else, also has to take a cut somewhere else, that is NOT a present to you, but a loss, that may end up, negating/cancelling out that "present" someone told you, you were getting. It may even cost you MORE than what you were paying in taxes.

    THIS.....is part of games such as the shell game and others slights of hand that depend on deception and failure of people to think or see, beyond the surface action.

    If the U.S. had only ONE political party, (Independent?) it would NOT eliminate the poles and polar extremes, it might mean that there is more of a focus on issues and how they relate to right and wrong/good and evil, than on party partisanship.

    People might have to look beyond whether the person saying something is Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Black, Purple, Polka Dot, etc. and make decisions on what is right or wrong, what is good or evil, based on what their society agree to as universal values, mores, principles, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Thanks for exposing your own modus operandi.
    Speaking of MO. Yours is to respond to me by saying "I know you are but what am i?". lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Seems we mostly argue in circles ... and seems we often draw our own lines deeper during the arguments.

    But in my case, political forums did cause a change in me. It started at another forum. There was a beleaguered Republican whom few accepted as a Republican because he supported unions. His name was Jake.

    He is the one who brought my attention to how Republican policies were hollowing out the middle class and leading to more working poor who needed government help in spite of holding full-time jobs. The Walmart model, where exploitative companies raked in the profits while their rank and file employees filed for food stamps.

    And he helped bring my attention to how, as Republican policies were helping to create more working poor, so-called fiscal conservatives were also trying to shrink the safety nets for these people whom they were helping to push into financial straits.



    Jake was a major factor in how I got past my scorn for Occupy Wall Street and became open to the messages of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
    I used to banter with some Republican women and one of them became a friend. She actually voted for Obama. I really got to know a lot about her even though we never met. Then one day she wrote that she was diagnosed with stage four cancer and had a short period of time to live. I kept saying to my husband that I would love to go out there and meet her before she died, but like so many good intentions it never happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Seems we mostly argue in circles ... and seems we often draw our own lines deeper during the arguments.

    But in my case, political forums did cause a change in me. It started at another forum. There was a beleaguered Republican whom few accepted as a Republican because he supported unions. His name was Jake.

    He is the one who brought my attention to how Republican policies were hollowing out the middle class and leading to more working poor who needed government help in spite of holding full-time jobs. The Walmart model, where exploitative companies raked in the profits while their rank and file employees filed for food stamps.

    And he helped bring my attention to how, as Republican policies were helping to create more working poor, so-called fiscal conservatives were also trying to shrink the safety nets for these people whom they were helping to push into financial straits.



    Jake was a major factor in how I got past my scorn for Occupy Wall Street and became open to the messages of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
    They can. I was still a liberal Democrat when I started participating in a right-leaning forum 15+ years ago. Engaging in actual discussion/dialogue with conservatives who were informed, intelligent, and courteous in their discourse opened my eyes to perspectives I'd previously tuned out. That, in turn, played a role in my seeking out both/all sides on a number of issues and played a not insignificant role in my journey from left to right. By the same token, my participation here has helped me remain in touch with liberal viewpoints and, I believe, balanced out some of my views.

    That said, they most often are a source of strife and/or talking around in circles. Still, I appreciate the on-line friends I've made of both/all political stripes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I don't think I've ever changed anyone's mind and I don't think my ideology has changed. But it does force me to know the arguments of the people I disagree with and I generally keep up with everything going on politically.
    That's actually not true, Babba. There have been times when your input has prompted me to reevaluate my position on something.
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