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    Haul Trump's fat ass in front of a grand jury

    President Clinton was subpoenaed by Ken Starr in the Lewinsky matter.
    No one has the legal right to ignore a grand jury subpoena...... including a sitting President.
    Trump deserves no deference to avoid justice.

    Therefore: ....When/if Mueller would find it useful.....haul Trump's fat ass in front of a grand jury and require him to either answer questions or plead the fifth Amendment like any other common organized crime thug.
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    Looks like that's what will happen. Trump had previously said that he'd interview with Mueller under oath, but he flip-flopped on that and said that he won't be interviewed.

    They'll have no choice but to subpoena him now.
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    Subpoena him for what? 'TDS since 2015' strikes again.

    You do not just throw subpoenas around, especially to a sitting President, for no cause. And Trump could simply fight it in court if they did, and might just win that court battle. And even if, President Trump can invoke his 5th Amendment rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Subpoena him for what?
    Grand jury testimony. Anyone can be subpoenaed for a grand jury if their testimony might be relevant to a criminal investigation. At the moment it looks like the criminal investigation is obstruction of justice. Trump's testimony would certainly be relevant to that inquiry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Subpoena him for what? 'TDS since 2015' strikes again.

    You do not just throw subpoenas around, especially to a sitting President, for no cause. And Trump could simply fight it in court if they did, and might just win that court battle. And even if, President Trump can invoke his 5th Amendment rights.
    It sounds like you don't want the truth to come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Subpoena him for what? 'TDS since 2015' strikes again.

    You do not just throw subpoenas around, especially to a sitting President, for no cause. And Trump could simply fight it in court if they did, and might just win that court battle. And even if, President Trump can invoke his 5th Amendment rights.
    Alternatively, were he not guilty, he could simply testify and tell the truth.

    That is obviously not an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Alternatively, were he not guilty, he could simply testify and tell the truth.

    That is obviously not an option.
    What's interesting about this is that it follows a couple of days of stories about how Trump's lawyers are trying to negotiate the easiest testimony possible. They'd like to submit written answers, but that's a non-starter. They want to limit the scope of the questions, which is probably possible but also the subject of negotiation in which Mueller has the upper hand. He CAN require Trump to testify before a grand jury, and in that situation he would not have his lawyers present (which I have to think is a frightening prospect to anyone who cares about the president). There'd be a bunch of wrangling and tons of press and days or weeks of "Yes I can/No you can't-ing," but if Clinton had to do it, so could Trump be made to.

    So this Alfred E. Newman ("What, me worry?") response from Trump is...predictable. I think it means his lawyers can't get him a good deal, so he's in denial at the moment.
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    I'd also point out that Trump will probably have to give testimony in this inquiry more than once. Either that, or all aspects of this investigation are coming together with great swiftness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I'd also point out that Trump will probably have to give testimony in this inquiry more than once. Either that, or all aspects of this investigation are coming together with great swiftness.
    Frankly, I'm surprised to learn that Mueller is yet ready to interview Trump. He isn't likely to ask Donald any questions to which he doesn't already know the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    President Clinton was subpoenaed by Ken Starr in the Lewinsky matter.
    No one has the legal right to ignore a grand jury subpoena...... including a sitting President.
    Trump deserves no deference to avoid justice.

    Therefore: ....When/if Mueller would find it useful.....haul Trump's fat ass in front of a grand jury and require him to either answer questions or plead the fifth Amendment like any other common organized crime thug.
    Trump's not agreeing to testifying is really fucking with my prediction date of his being gone by Jan 20th 2018. If he just would agree to the interview in the next 7 days or so I'm sure he'd be out of office by Jan 20 2018. If he keeps this up my date will be wrong but not by much. It could take months to get him in front of a Grand Jury but eventually I'd say he will have no choice but to testify. Actually it might be a good thing to get in front of a Grand Jury. No lawyer present, no parameters on questions, they could literally get Trump to confess to all kinds of criminal conspiracies he has been involved in all his 71 years on this planet.
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