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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I doubt it.

    I imagine politicians use language like this all the time behind closed doors in policy meetings. I believe Obama's chief of staff for example had quite the reputation for using foul language in meetings.

    As far as your rant about Trump - we'll just agree to disagree. Because I certainly don't think calling shit hole countries shit holes tears at the fabric of our being. That just sounds absurd to me. In fact - it sounds more like free expression to me - which is the fabric of our being and actually what many have fought and died to establish and maintain.

    Also - I'm not on the right. So I would ask that you stop characterizing me that way, because it isn't accurate.
    When you defend this shit then you are on the right. See, this is the problem. Trump has folks believing that to shine a light on this stuff is just a rant. That's what you've apparently bought into. That's about as far to the right as you can get. But, you claim not to be a righty. What do you call it then? Rolling over? Playing along? Justifying a vote for him? Whatever it is, that's totally on you. Seems among those who won't admit what we all see clearly every day, it's common practice to claim neutrality. That's bullshit and oh so convenient. I haven't heard you say much at all about his rhetoric except to defend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingbeast View Post
    What, exactly, qualifies a country for "Shithole" status?
    Good question. Maybe it has something to do with not being able to pull a ship into one of your major ports because of the number of wrecks that don't show up on navigational charts. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that any ship pulling into your ports has to close off any water making plants and then draw from water bladders that were filled elsewhere because the water sucked up near your port is so polluted that it will destroy the equipment that was meant to treat it and then kill the people that drink it. Maybe it has something to do with having to have armed guards at ATMs.

    Maybe we are too privileged to know what a shithole really is anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    When you defend this shit then you are on the right. See, this is the problem. Trump has folks believing that to shine a light on this stuff is just a rant. That's what you've apparently bought into. That's about as far to the right as you can get. But, you claim not to be a righty. What do you call it then? Rolling over? Playing along? Justifying a vote for him? Whatever it is, that's totally on you. Seems among those who won't admit what we all see clearly every day, it's common practice to claim neutrality. That's bullshit and oh so convenient. I haven't heard you say much at all about his rhetoric except to defend it.
    The only problem is the only person to use the term S---hole in that attended the meeting was Dick "The Prick" Durbin who used the term when he lied about Trump using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    It's really not that abnormal to use language like shit hole to describe places. It's fairly normal in American culture.

    Obama was certainly more polished and careful with his language. I'll give you that. Whether that's a virtue or not though is debatable. I prefer elected officials who speak like the rest of us do.
    Yes, presidents should be more polished and careful with language. It is very much a virtue. I don't want elected officials and especially a president who is "just like the rest of us". I want exceptional people with exceptional intellects and manners and polished language who know how to practice discretion. People who possess self-discipline and self-control. I don't want Joe Six-Pack or Bubba running my government, thank you very much. And I don't want a president who behaves like a oafish ignoramus. I am thoroughly embarrassed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    But it sure is abnormal to use that term in a policy meeting about immigration and the day before you are to give a speech at a rite to honor Martin Luther King.

    It shows an elitist, callous, cruel, and reckless person who has no business even having a hand in such policy decisions, let alone a President of a country founded on inclusiveness, welcoming open arms and colorblind justice.

    The man is the antithesis of every ideal America has held for 230 plus years. It's stuff like this that tears at the fabric of our being and diminishes our moral authority that many have fought and died to establish and to maintain. You on the right just refuse to recognize the damage he is doing. To those who are the target of his hatred, it isn't amusing or quaint or folksy.
    Yes, he has diminished our moral authority. It's a travesty.

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    I'm going to post most of this blog post because I think it gets to the essence of the people defending him.

    One of the bedrock beliefs of many conservative whites is that political correctness is out of control. This isn’t just about college kids with their safe spaces and trigger warnings, either. It’s everywhere and it’s out of control. For chrissake, whistling at a woman is paying her a compliment! “Mexican day” at the staff cafeteria is meant with affection! Ebonics is just plain bad grammar!

    And come on, their thinking goes, all those third-world countries really are shitholes. Everyone knows it, but only Donald Trump has the guts to just say it.

    This isn’t quite racism or sexism per se, it’s a fundamental disagreement about what racism and sexism are. Donald Trump has a lot of fans who wouldn’t dream of using the n-word or insisting that women should stay home with the kids. In their personal lives, they’re probably genuinely decent to everyone around them. But they still feel like they’re walking on eggshells all the time for fear they’ll say something the PC cops have recently banned. Or they feel like there are things they can’t say at all because they don’t have the vocabulary for it. Educated folks might carefully argue that “merit-based” immigration is the way to go because “assimilation” is harder for immigrants from “culturally disparate” countries with “low GDPs and high crime rates.” But Joe Sixpack doesn’t know those words and doesn’t know which ones are acceptable anyway. So he’s tongue-tied. He can’t say anything at all.

    Until Donald Trump comes along. He’s basically saying that we all know those fancy words are just the liberal elitist version of “shithole countries,” and he’s giving Joe permission to say so. Go ahead and use the words you know and ignore the faux gasps from all those liberal scolds who believe the same thing but just won’t say it in plain language. You’re no more racist than they are.

    Right or wrong, this is liberating for them. Trump isn’t so much appealing to racism as he is telling people you’re not a racist. Just imagine what a sigh of relief this brings to a lot of working-class whites who aren’t, themselves, especially racist but feel like they have to constantly watch every word they say or else they’ll be accused of it anyway. This is the appeal of Trump beyond his flat-out deplorable base.
    ?Shithole Countries? Is All About Political Correctness ? Mother Jones
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    It's really not that abnormal to use language like shit hole to describe places. It's fairly normal in American culture.

    Obama was certainly more polished and careful with his language. I'll give you that. Whether that's a virtue or not though is debatable. I prefer elected officials who speak like the rest of us do.
    Yeah, we're ALL just like Don - you know, normal billionaires trying to be Bubba................

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingbeast View Post
    Yeah, we're ALL just like Don - you know, normal billionaires trying to be Bubba................
    Yeah, I think the worst thing you could say about a person is that he/she is a lot like The Donald whether in language or in beliefs.

    The answer from many on the right is something like Well, he says things that we all believe but are too reluctant to say. Couldn't be further from the truth. Most of Americans are not racists or Misogynists or dishonest or elitist or cruel or without empathy etc.

    He's a hollow, disgusting and vile human being and most folks are not. We want our Presidents to be exceptional and unique people but this kind of uniqueness we don't want or need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Yeah, I think the worst thing you could say about a person is that he/she is a lot like The Donald whether in language or in beliefs.

    The answer from many on the right is something like Well, he says things that we all believe but are too reluctant to say. Couldn't be further from the truth. Most of Americans are not racists or Misogynists or dishonest or elitist or cruel or without empathy etc.

    He's a hollow, disgusting and vile human being and most folks are not. We want our Presidents to be exceptional and unique people but this kind of uniqueness we don't want or need.
    You should smack Trump with your purse if you ever see him.

    lol

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    Obama said that Libya was a s---hole.. We will use his standard.
    Most dishonest poster on PH. Hands down.

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