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    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...irst_amendment



    So when a few FBI agents don't like the president and discuss that with each other; in Trump's world that means that they should be fired from their jobs.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

    Now these texts that two people exchanged in private not only impacted their careers, but also is causing a large scale attack on their entire organization. This is Trump World. How long until they undo your protections sufficiently that the bill of rights is defacto repealed?
    You're overreacting. To party-over-country GOP #TrumpCult extremists, things like the Bill of Rights just get in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Prove that their opinions influenced their work.
    Absurd conspiracy theory...isn't it?
    Do dentists political view influence their work?
    Butchers?
    Fire fighters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    There is no First Amendment protection when two FBI agents' duties are influenced, reflect, and actions reflect their political bias.
    Show some sort of proof that their "duties were influenced."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    He and his GOP are much more dangerous to our country than any terrorist.
    They pose as real Americans!
    More dangerous than any terrorist.

    That's so fucking crazy I don't know if you're trolling or if you're so ignorant you actually believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Those are not opinions in their professional capacities. Those are political statements in the course of their jobs that demonstrate a likelihood of bias at a government job that demands being non-political.
    NOW you're saying "likelihood?" In your earlier post you imply that it DID 'influence their work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    My argument is based on appearances, the body of the texts, the perception of interfering with the election, and the higher standard FBI agents are legally held to.

    The Department of Justices Handbook for On and Off-Duty Conduct.


    14 General Principles of Ethical Conduct

    Employees shall not knowingly make unauthorized commitments or promises of any kind purporting to bind the Government.

    Employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in this part. Whether particular circumstances create an appearance that the law or these standards have been violated shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts

    An employee shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that the employee is violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in this part.

    Strzok is married to Melissa Hodgman and was having an affair with an FBI attorney who was the recipient of his texts. Mueller gave Strzok the axe over this. It is not defensible.
    APPEARANCES and NOT facts or reality??? LOL!
    Was he "given the axe" for committing adultery OR for exercising his 1st Amendment rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    He and his GOP are much more dangerous to our country than any terrorist.
    They pose as real Americans!
    The only real clear threat to this nation is this type of divisive talk, which turns into divisive actions ( I don't recall a conservative taking aim and shooting at dems with a high powered rifle). Tearing ourselves apart from within and turning on our own, to the point of stating that our President is more dangerous than those that use terrorist acts to obtain their objectives...as if the left suddenly forgets or purposefully ignores bombings that kill innocents and maim even more.

    This is precisely why I view the left in such a poor light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    The only real clear threat to this nation is this type of divisive talk, which turns into divisive actions ( I don't recall a conservative taking aim and shooting at dems with a high powered rifle). Tearing ourselves apart from within and turning on our own, to the point of stating that our President is more dangerous than those that use terrorist acts to obtain their objectives...as if the left suddenly forgets r purposefully ignores bombings that kill innocents and maim even more.

    This is precisely why I view the left in such a poor light.
    Well said. That kind of talk is purely for division. Straight up stupid is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The problem with your argument--it is based on appearance. Everyone has biases, which they express privately. The appearance of impropriety is only a question when those thoughts are made public, which wasn't voluntary on the part of these FBI agents.
    You mean like a judge of the highest court, that is supposed to be completely unbiased, refusing to attend a state of the union address?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    You're overreacting. To party-over-country GOP #TrumpCult extremists, things like the Bill of Rights just get in the way.
    The hypocrisy...the left has no room to be complaining about acting "party over country".

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