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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    I have never alluded to a return to the Articles of Confederation. What I advocate is not returning to the past such as the Founders study of why nations and empires failed as a basis for the Constitution and their disdain for democracy.
    then, instead of concentrating the power, spread the power to the citizens - after all, they are the ones who give the authority to government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    then, instead of concentrating the power, spread the power to the citizens - after all, they are the ones who give the authority to government.
    That will not work in a non-unitary government, especially a country that consists of fifty states, and will limit the power to the higher populated states. That was the reason for the Great Compromise.

    I believe you are overestimating the meaning of the preamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Devil,

    Very good point. liberals do tend to look down on the average American and think they are better than anybody else.
    No one looks down on Americans more than Trump. He read his base like a book and conned the crap out of them. Trump speaks like a 8 year old so I can see how he stuck it to his uneducated base. Those that support him lost. Trump didn't even give them what he promised. He promised Healthcare for all and the Government would pay for it, a wall paid for by Mexico, and he said Tax Breaks wouldn't benefit his rich friends. They did.

    Makes you wonder why liberals can't figure out why nobody likes them when they tell them they are just to stupid to understand what is good for them.
    You elected a Con Man. I don't know too many people that like you.

    387 days into the Trump Presidency.

    -Wife Beater Resignations: 2
    -Wall Height: 0 inches
    -Investigations: 5+
    -Indictments/Guilty Pleas of Staff: 4
    -Total Golf trips: 92
    -Puerto Ricans still w/out power: 400,000
    -Pro Pedophile rallies: 1
    -Trump's lies or miss-statements: Well over 2000
    -One in three members of his staff have resigned or been fired. Highest at this point of any Presidency.

    Nothing like hiring the best. Conned you again.

    Who's stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    actually, it was the electoral college that elected Trump. it was not the popular vote which doesn't count.
    Oldgaffer thinks it was gerrymandering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    That will not work in a non-unitary government, especially a country that consists of fifty states, and will limit the power to the higher populated states. That was the reason for the Great Compromise.

    I believe you are overestimating the meaning of the preamble.
    please explain why it cannot happen in a diverse society. we all have the same basic needs. the fact that many say this very same thing does not make it true. along with the statement "we are too large" are the two most used reason against a true democracy. are you afraid of a democracy? do you fear your powers and rights will be diminished? as stated, we all have the same needs and we all want those needs met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    please explain why it cannot happen in a diverse society. we all have the same basic needs. the fact that many say this very same thing does not make it true. along with the statement "we are too large" are the two most used reason against a true democracy. are you afraid of a democracy? do you fear your powers and rights will be diminished? as stated, we all have the same needs and we all want those needs met.
    We have fifty states and the cultural difference is broader that that of other countries compared to the United States. Democracy is mob rule and democracy negates the rule of law. The Constitution is an anti-democratic document. To have a democracy would require a new constitution. Since the beginning of recorded history, if the reason for every failed empire and nation could be broken down into one sentence, that sentence would be "people from somewhere else telling people from somewhere else how they will live, what their culture will be, what their laws will be, and what they can and cannot do will always end with the collapse of that nation or empire."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    "The best argument against democracy....is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
    Winston Churchill

    He said that without even talking to one Trump supporter.
    Democracy in a nutshell

    3 wolves and 1 lamb voting on what is for dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    We have fifty states and the cultural difference is broader that that of other countries compared to the United States. Democracy is mob rule and democracy negates the rule of law. The Constitution is an anti-democratic document. To have a democracy would require a new constitution. Since the beginning of recorded history, if the reason for every failed empire and nation could be broken down into one sentence, that sentence would be "people from somewhere else telling people from somewhere else how they will live, what their culture will be, what their laws will be, and what they can and cannot do will always end with the collapse of that nation or empire."
    just to point out - Greek democracy failed even when they had a unitary system. as to the constitution we currently have - you're correct as it would need a severe modification. most of the modifications would be the role of the executive and legislative branches as to their specific functions and authority. so what? is that not what a constitutional convention is for? it would take time, though, to transform in a democracy. but, then again, most difficult tasks do take time to accomplish correctly.

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