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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    The other problem with direct democracy in a country this large is the number of decisions that need to be made each year. All we'd be doing is voting. No one has the time for that and we certainly can't afford it.
    I consider that a technical problem - but I do understand your concerns. I am also concerned about that very issue. my solution (and this is strictly my personal opinion) would be to have scheduled votes 3 times a year (March, June and September) and limit the ballot to 10 items. but, I submit that would still be quicker than what we have now. there is also the opinion that only laws/bills which require funding would be allowed on the ballot. the second method eliminate such bills as those for adjournment of congress, establishing some holidays and similar items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    That is still mob rule to eliminate rights. The existance of cantons and their powers are as vulnerable to mob rule as rights.
    so you much prefer the rule of the elite because you personally feel you have a better chance to enact such legislation which you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    so you much prefer the rule of the elite because you personally feel you have a better chance to enact such legislation which you want.
    I prefer the rule of law and I prefer the Constitution. All legislation should be limited to an explicit Article I power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    I consider that a technical problem - but I do understand your concerns. I am also concerned about that very issue. my solution (and this is strictly my personal opinion) would be to have scheduled votes 3 times a year (March, June and September) and limit the ballot to 10 items. but, I submit that would still be quicker than what we have now. there is also the opinion that only laws/bills which require funding would be allowed on the ballot. the second method eliminate such bills as those for adjournment of congress, establishing some holidays and similar items.
    It may be a technical problem but with a country this big it is totally impractical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    That is mob rule and all rights and laws will be subject to the majority of the day. The smaller the population the more viable democracy will work such as municipalities and there is the component of swift rectification via recalls.
    Small-scale democracy has been applied in homeowners' associations and pirate ships, with mixed results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    All contemporary administrations have done that.
    Destroy the people's faith in the FBI, DOJ, CIA, IRS and expect officials to swear allegiance to him personally instead of the constitution?


    No other president in history has done that.
    That's what dictators do in tyrannical governments.

    No other political party in history has so corrupted their views to allow unchecked power to damage this country like the GOP has done.
    Last edited by Devil505; 11th February 2018 at 08:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    I prefer the rule of law and I prefer the Constitution. All legislation should be limited to an explicit Article I power.
    laws and the constitution are both subject to change at present. do you prefer the elites change it, or the citizens change it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    It may be a technical problem but with a country this big it is totally impractical.
    impractical? so, you prefer a government of the elites which eliminates the citizens from their responsibility? I find that odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    laws and the constitution are both subject to change at present. do you prefer the elites change it, or the citizens change it?
    That is not the intent of how the US Constitution can be amended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Small-scale democracy has been applied in homeowners' associations and pirate ships, with mixed results.
    That can be problematic, but at least the smaller the offending entity, the quicker the available entity. The problem is the apathy of the average person.

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