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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You actually may want to look at what sports the school system actually supports and which ones they do not. In other words if the schools have a program its funded by the school which means that unless the parents poney up the money there is no team and no tournaments. Hence I said prestiges schools and private schools are the only ones that offer ice hockey while the majority of schools do not. Thanks for playing.

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    Note:Some Illinois high schools field competitive teams in events such as fencing, field hockey, and ice hockey, but the IHSA does not sponsor tournaments in these events. Other academic competitions, such as Academic Decathlon, Science Olympiad, and DECAare not sponsored by the IHSA, and are governed by their respective national and/or state agencies.

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    Ms. Eve,

    They are public school leagues. Just because the IHSA does not sponsor tournaments, does not mean the schools do not support the sport. The various leagues are sponsored by interscholastic hockey organizations in the state.

    For example, in New Jersey:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_s..._in_New_Jersey

    "Ice Hockey is currently played by approximately 161 high school varsity teams in NJ.

    A State Championship Tournament is organized at the end of the season by the New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Eve,

    They are public school leagues. Just because the IHSA does not sponsor tournaments, does not mean the schools do not support the sport. The various leagues are sponsored by interscholastic hockey organizations in the state.

    For example, in New Jersey:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_s..._in_New_Jersey

    "Ice Hockey is currently played by approximately 161 high school varsity teams in NJ.

    A State Championship Tournament is organized at the end of the season by the New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association"
    Yeah sure, the schools. Where do the schools get the cash if not from the gov't? Oh, yeah the parents through fees plus fundraisers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Yeah sure, the schools. Were do the schools get the cash, if not from the gov't? Oh, yeah the parents through fees.
    Ms. Eve,

    The same place they get it for HS football. From the school board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Eve,

    The same place they get it for HS football. From the school board.
    Nice try go back to my P#95, Sanctioned non-athletic activities. Football is hockey isn't.

    Note:Some Illinois high schools field competitive teams in events such as fencing, field hockey, and ice hockey, but the IHSA does not sponsor tournaments in these events. Other academic competitions, such as Academic Decathlon, Science Olympiad, and DECAare not sponsored by the IHSA, and are governed by their respective national and/or state agencies.

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    “It used to be playing in high school was something relatively accessible to everyone,” said Karl Erickson, a faculty member at the Institute for the Study of Youth Sports at Michigan State University. “A small number who had aspirations beyond that would go outside to club and travel. For many people, that could be a great experience.

    “Now there has been this shift to where the club and travel teams, which tend to be more expensive and year-round time intensive at times, are becoming par for the course or mandatory just to take part in a high school sport,” Erickson said. “Now, you’re either all-in, full-bore, year-round, or you’re not even in the system.”

    Parents spend thousands of dollars a year to place their kids in club or travel programs, hundreds or even thousands each season on new equipment, and often hundreds per hour on private lessons or coaching.

    The time commitment can be equally burdensome. Now, more than ever, kids spend more time year-round on athletics in hopes of being able to play next season, be it in high school or college.

    It’s not unheard of for a high-level high school athlete to spend as much as $20,000 a year on team fees, equipment, travel, private coaching and personal training.

    Pay to play: The high cost of youth sports | USA TODAY High School Sports
    I'm not sure what is your concern. Do you think that every activity that kids participate in should be basically free? Just because they are associated with schools? Our system of putting sports primarily in schools is unusual when compared with the rest of the world. Most kids in the developed world play only for club teams unassociated with schools.

    Schools are (I think quite properly) limited as to how they can fund sports, partly by Title IX. They have to have equal numbers of sports for both girls and boys, and the opportunities in those sports for girls and boys have to be roughly equivalent. Hockey is an expensive sport--specialized equipment and the cost (and even availability) of renting an ice rink are just two particular expensive aspects.

    Lots of families spend money to make sure their kids have access to other extracurricular activities, like drama or music. I don't see high schools sponsoring a chamber music ensemble very often--should I complain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Nice try go back to my P#95, Sanctioned non-athletic activities. Football is hockey isn't.

    Note:Some Illinois high schools field competitive teams in events such as fencing, field hockey, and ice hockey, but the IHSA does not sponsor tournaments in these events. Other academic competitions, such as Academic Decathlon, Science Olympiad, and DECAare not sponsored by the IHSA, and are governed by their respective national and/or state agencies.
    Ms. Eve,

    Please see my post #101. They are sponsored by interscholastic hockey associations in the states.

    You do know that schools pay dues to the IHSA, not the other way around, right? The IHSA is an umbrella organization that coordinates statewide sporting leagues, just like the interscholastic hockey associations are umbrella organizations that coordinates statewide hockey leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Eve,

    Please see my post #101. They are sponsored by interscholastic hockey associations in the states.

    You do know that schools pay dues to the IHSA, not the other way around, right? The IHSA is an umbrella organization that coordinates statewide sporting leagues, just like the interscholastic hockey associations are umbrella organizations that coordinates statewide hockey leagues.
    Are you purposely being obtuse? Hockey does not produce players in every school because there are schools that can not afford to participate.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06c3d3d3e6e66

    After graduating from Lake Forest High School, Cody Murphy hoped to play college hockey in Illinois.

    The problem: No Divison I schools in his home state have varsity hockey teams.

    "It would be nice for a lot of Chicagoans to have a place to call home," Murphy said. "There are a lot of really good prospects that come out of the Chicagoland area."
    Yet since Illinois-Chicago's varsity program melted away in 1996, the only hockey available at Division I universities is at the club level. (The state has Division III programs at Lake Forest College and Aurora University.)

    "It is a bit frustrating that you have that kind of interest throughout the country, but historically hockey has not been looked at as a varsity sport in places because of the budgetary challenges that most athletic departments are going through right now. The timing for an area like Illinois is just perfect."


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...927-story.html

    I'm not talking to you anymore about sports, this thread was not started to debate availability of sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Are you purposely being obtuse? Hockey does not produce players in every school because there are schools that can not afford to participate.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06c3d3d3e6e66

    After graduating from Lake Forest High School, Cody Murphy hoped to play college hockey in Illinois.

    The problem: No Divison I schools in his home state have varsity hockey teams.

    "It would be nice for a lot of Chicagoans to have a place to call home," Murphy said. "There are a lot of really good prospects that come out of the Chicagoland area."
    Yet since Illinois-Chicago's varsity program melted away in 1996, the only hockey available at Division I universities is at the club level. (The state has Division III programs at Lake Forest College and Aurora University.)

    "It is a bit frustrating that you have that kind of interest throughout the country, but historically hockey has not been looked at as a varsity sport in places because of the budgetary challenges that most athletic departments are going through right now. The timing for an area like Illinois is just perfect."


    Illinois lacks college hockey but not talent - Chicago Tribune

    I'm talking to you anymore about sports, this thread was not started to debate availability of sports.
    Ms. Eve,

    We were talking about high school varsity hockey. Why did you bring up collegiate hockey?

    And with regard to your first link, why did you bring up middle school club hockey? I mean, even your link says:

    "My son has house hockey teammates who, without a doubt, are good enough to make their high school’s varsity teams."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Eve,

    We were talking about high school varsity hockey. Why did you bring up collegiate hockey?

    And with regard to your first link, why did you bring up middle school club hockey? I mean, even your link says:

    "My son has house hockey teammates who, without a doubt, are good enough to make their high school’s varsity teams."
    Like I said I'm not talking to you about sports anymore, middle school, high school or college. I don't even know how the hell we got side tracked. Start your own thread of it if your interested in that. This thread was started on the topic of IQ tests and results that are impacted by social and community factors and not by race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Like I said I'm not talking to you about sports anymore, middle school, high school or college. I don't even know how the hell we got side tracked. Start your own thread of it if your interested in that. This thread was started on the topic of IQ tests and results that are impacted by social and community factors and not by race.
    Ms. Eve,

    Didn't you start the discussion talking about sports?

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