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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    You seem not to understand the meaning of the language in the quote you posted. And the meaning of the sentences I highlighted in your post that you are trying to evade are all too clear. Why are you being so intellectually dishonest? Does political correctness trump truth?
    Ditto, why don't you say in plane english what you think it means? I know it means that the test scores show no difference. Thus, correlations on the three achievement clusters and the nine achievement subtests are very similar for both groups. Fisher’s Z transformations, used to compare correlations between GIA and the achievement clusters for reading, math, and written language as well as for each academic achievement test, indicate that correlations between general intelligence and the 12 academic achievement scores do not differ signif- icantly by ethnicity (Table 4).

    http://iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDoc...dwards2006.pdf

    You don't want to pay attention to the part that mentions one exception that in one cluster that they found it was not strong a measure for African Americans (.59) as for Caucasian Americans (.69) and that cluster was consistent with other findings.
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    I am still wondering why Eve1 Supports democrat politicians that force poor white, Black and Brown children into the worst schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Ditto, why don't you say in plane english what you think it means? I know it means that the test scores show no difference. Thus, correlations on the three achievement clusters and the nine achievement subtests are very similar for both groups. Fisher’s Z transformations, used to compare correlations between GIA and the achievement clusters for reading, math, and written language as well as for each academic achievement test, indicate that correlations between general intelligence and the 12 academic achievement scores do not differ signif- icantly by ethnicity (Table 4).

    http://iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDoc...dwards2006.pdf

    You don't want to pay attention to the part that mentions one exception that in one cluster that they found it was not strong a measure for African Americans (.59) as for Caucasian Americans (.69) and that cluster was consistent with other findings.
    Please, don't invite ridicule. It's not becoming. You're dancing around it. And trying to ignore it. Shall I requote the part of your previous post that you're trying so hard to ignore?
    Means and standard deviations for Caucasian Americans and African Americans are reported in Table 2. These data indicate mean scores for the two groups differ. Differences between the two groups are within the expected range given previous research findings of mean IQ differences between ethnic groups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Please, don't invite ridicule. It's not becoming. You're dancing around it. And trying to ignore it. Shall I requote the part of your previous post that you're trying so hard to ignore?
    I read and I also understand why don't you? They explained it with the sentence I keep highlighting which you are ignoring there is one exception in the tests and it is is not as strong a measure of g for African Americans (.59) as for Caucasian Americans (.69). . I accept their analysis and explanation for the difference, why are you having difficult time with it? The bottom line is taking into account the entirity of their study the summary was quite clear.

    Thus, correlations on the three achievement clusters and the nine achievement subtests are very similar for both groups. Fisher’s Z transformations, used to compare correlations between GIA and the achievement clusters for reading, math, and written language as well as for each academic achievement test, indicate that correlations between general intelligence and the 12 academic achievement scores do not differ signif- icantly by ethnicity (Table 4).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    @<a href="http://politicalhotwire.com/member.php?u=26739" target="_blank">Otto Throttle</a> the theory is that the gene pool of the African American in the USA is made up of the very bravest and strongest and fastest of the people on the continent of Africa. People were caught in Africa when slave traders would arrive by ship and ambush villages. Word would get out to surrounding villages and the bravest and strongest of men and woman would go to fight the invaders. Of course the use of guns was one sided and capture or death the only option. A result the slave traders got the best of the best
    The slave hunters were the animals which decided to catch human beings for money. Money is an invention of human beings and has nothing to do with the natural law "evolution". Slavery is a phenomenon of the human way to live wrong. What you use here is the idea "social Darwinism". The most famous representatives of this racist ideology were the Nazis.

    and actually sought out the tallest and strongest men and woman they could find and capture. They fetched the best price and the chances are they would survive the long sea trip to their invaders homeland was better the greater their general physical shape.
    What you say here means slave hunters, slave traders and slave holders preferred people, who had a physical constitution comparable with Massai and not with pygmy-like human beings. This means not Massai are a kind of superior black race and pygmies would be a kind of inferior black race.

    Lao Tzu was passing with his disciples and they came to a forest where hundreds of carpenters
    were cutting trees, because a great palace was being built. So the whole forest had been almost
    cut, but only one tree was standing there, a big tree with thousands of branches – so big that ten
    thousand persons could sit under its shade. Lao Tzu asked his disciples to go and inquire why this
    tree had not been cut yet when the whole forest had been cut and was deserted.
    The disciples went and they asked the carpenters, ”Why have you not cut this tree?”
    The carpenters said, ”This tree is absolutely useless. You cannot make anything out of it because
    every branch has so many knots in it. Nothing is straight. You cannot make pillars out of it. You
    cannot make furniture out of it. You cannot use it as fuel because the smoke is so dangerous to the
    eyes – you almost go blind. This tree is absolutely useless. That’s why.”
    They came back. Lao Tzu laughed and he said, ”Be like this tree. If you want to survive in this world
    be like this tree – absolutely useless. Then nobody will harm you. If you are straight you will be cut,
    you will become furniture in somebody’s house. If you are beautiful you will be sold in the market,
    you will become a commodity. Be like this tree, absolutely useless. Then nobody can harm you.
    And you will grow big and vast, and thousands of people can find shade under you.


    Source: Tao: The Three Treasures, Vol 1

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    Oh by the way - what's wrong with this what I say here? I'm still not banned. Did I forget to call here someone Nazi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    The slave hunters were the animals which decided to catch human beings for money. Money is an invention of human beings and has nothing to do with the natural law "evolution". Slavery is a phenomenon of the human way to live wrong. What you use here is the idea "social Darwinism". The most famous representatives of this racist ideology were the Nazis.

    What you say here means slave hunters, slave traders and slave holders preferred people, who had a physical constitution comparable with Massai and not with pygmy-like human beings. This means not Massai are a kind of superior black race and pygmies would be a kind of inferior black race.
    Point taken there is nothing natural about slave trading. It does not negate the fact they were not randomly selected to be transported. They were captured and singled out by one factor.
    Their perceived ability to survive the longest and most physical draining voyage to the Americas. Many didn’t make it but the ones with the greatest physical endurance did.That continued time after time, voyage after voyage, year after year until they were no longer transported out by ship to the Americas and it was finally outlawed.The end result was the people that survived the trip to the Americas were the fittest of the fittest.


    With respect to the story of the tree, my father once told me don’t excel and be the best in your group in a unuionized company. All you get is more work. If you are going to be the best in your job do it where it pays you the most for the effort you put in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Point taken there is nothing natural about slave trading.
    Sure not. Who likes to see under himself a slave or over himself a "massa"? Only god is our Lord. And if someone likes to be a real master, then he needs a lot of humility and has a lot of hard work to do.

    It does not negate the fact they were not randomly selected to be transported. They were captured and singled out by one factor.
    Their perceived ability to survive the longest and most physical draining voyage to the Americas. Many didn’t make it but the ones with the greatest physical endurance did.That continued time after time, voyage after voyage, year after year until they were no longer transported out by ship to the Americas and it was finally outlawed.The end result was the people that survived the trip to the Americas were the fittest of the fittest.
    You should forget all this racist stereotypes. Sure had also slave traders no interest to arrive in America with a ship full of dead people. And what you call "fittest of the fittest" makes no sense. Who survived , survived on whatever reason, that's all. Who got a cold or was older had not so good chances. And do not forget please: It are often the best of the best who give their lives for the dignity, freedom and life of their children, their women and their comrades. England for example had to give up once the colony "Sudan" (and do not forget too that Nubians of the Sudan were also once Pharaos in Egypt, a common root of everyone, who is calling himself today "civilized"). When the English reconquered the Sudan they came back with machine guns. I heard it was the first time machine guns were used in a war. The result: 48 English soldiers died and 1500 of the defenders of the Sudan died. This has just simple to do with machine guns and schools which are teaching natural philosophy and sciences and engineering techniques. But this creates also people who are 'thinking' sometimes like machines on their own - and this is not the good human way of life. We are not machines. No one. That's an illusion. If there would had been a progress in the hearts in a similar way as there was a progress in the machines then this mass-murder never would had happened. Sad to have to say this.

    With respect to the story of the tree, my father once told me don’t excel and be the best in your group in a unuionized company. All you get is more work. If you are going to be the best in your job do it where it pays you the most for the effort you put in.
    Money is often only an illusion or sometimes even a false god too. Sure we need money. But money is no excuse for nothing. Might and power are also no excuse for nothing. We all have to hope that god will help us to find the best of all possible ways.

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