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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    What difference does it make? How should the world change in response to having learned that one particular group of people is statistically better or worse at taking IQ tests?
    The conclusion of The Bell Curve is "let the big dog eat."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    USA made joint 9th place. I'm surprised as well.

    https://photius.com/rankings/nationa...try_ranks.html
    It's more like we tied for 22nd place, if you do the rankings fairly. If two people tie for third, then the next person down is 5th, not 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The conclusion of The Bell Curve is "let the big dog eat."
    Yeah... That sounds like a line from an action movie, but I do have to wonder just how the "big dogs" might think the concept should be implemented via public policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    An IQ test is not a knowledge test, it's an attempt to test a person's facility at thinking. Consequently, having "been exposed to the same information" and having "been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts" doesn't enter into it. You must be thinking of achievement tests.
    And certainly intelligence potential is determined by genetics, just as potential height, appearance, longevity, etc., are. Negative environmental, social, emotional, etc., inputs can only lower the outcome from there, but not raise it above a genetically predetermined level.
    Genetics determines an awful lot. Every human being is a unique experiment, a reshuffling of the deck with many variation cards shuffled in each time, and you never know what you're gonna get.
    Yes, @Otto Throttle
    I agree genetics plays a role in intellectual potential but I do not think race does. If you are the child of two people with high IQ's and are raised by two totally different people of average intellegence I think you carry with you the genetics of the two biological parents and have the potential to have a high IQ. I just don't think that it is related to race. I think biologically speaking there is the same percentage of high, average and low IQ people across all races. What develops has more to do with their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF). You can have a 10 on the above list but have low IQ of 80 but at that point you have been afforded every opportunity to reach your maximum potental and 80 is as high as you could ever achieve under any circumstance. On the flip side I think you can have a high IQ and score a zero on the FSEF you likely would never reach 160 and just do average at 100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The problem with these IQ-race tests are that there are so many variables as to reder them useless unless someone is pushing some agenda.

    To truly investigate IQ and race one would have to take large samples of women who were recently impregnated....give all of them as close to equal amounts of care and stimulus during pregnancy...as equal a birth and remove the child as soon as possible to begin study.

    Children would have to be either placed in control groups or groupings of race or mixed race groups. The children would have to be given as equal as possible rearing with the exact kind of up bringing for all groups

    then after years of testing researchers could start to gauge intelligence of the different groups.


    Of course this would be highly immoral and not allow. so unless we can experiment on humans like lab rats, we will never know
    @DebateDrone the two free tests I provide in my link has one that is culturally fair. Take it and you will see that it is not dependent on culture. The other is the standard and yes it is depedent on someone being raised in the West and is fluent in English. Take both and compare the results you might be surprised how close the results actually are in terms of your personal numbers if you are from the West and English is your native language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Wait till DNA designed baby technology is available. Anybody not 110% will be living in a swamp.
    It is already available. Researchers have previously shown that a personís IQ is highly influenced by genetic factors, and have even identified certain genes that play a role.

    Genes don't just influence your IQ?they determine how well you do in school | Science | AAAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Yes, @Otto Throttle
    I agree genetics plays a role in intellectual potential but I do not think race does. If you are the child of two people with high IQ's and are raised by two totally different people of average intellegence I think you carry with you the genetics of the two biological parents and have the potential to have a high IQ. I just don't think that it is related to race. I think biologically speaking there is the same percentage of high, average and low IQ people across all races. What develops has more to do with their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF). You can have a 10 on the above list but have low IQ of 80 but at that point you have been afforded every opportunity to reach your maximum potental and 80 is as high as you could ever achieve under any circumstance. On the flip side I think you can have a high IQ and score a zero on the FSEF you likely would never reach 160 and just do average at 100.
    Researchers have previously shown that a person’s IQ is highly influenced by genetic factors, and have even identified certain genes that play a role.
    Genes don't just influence your IQ?they determine how well you do in school | Science | AAAS
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    I hate stereotyping anyone, by IQ or anything else. And I say this as someone who once, in Moscow, had to basically learn freestyle wrestling in a couple weeks, after was thrown onto the school team for a regional championship, as was assumed that I must be a natural wrestler, because am from Caucasus, which keeps producing many wrestling stars... Hey, at least it was a POSITIVE stereotype, for once I did what I could to live up to it too lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Yes, @Otto Throttle
    I agree genetics plays a role in intellectual potential but I do not think race does. If you are the child of two people with high IQ's and are raised by two totally different people of average intellegence I think you carry with you the genetics of the two biological parents and have the potential to have a high IQ. I just don't think that it is related to race. I think biologically speaking there is the same percentage of high, average and low IQ people across all races. What develops has more to do with their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF). You can have a 10 on the above list but have low IQ of 80 but at that point you have been afforded every opportunity to reach your maximum potental and 80 is as high as you could ever achieve under any circumstance. On the flip side I think you can have a high IQ and score a zero on the FSEF you likely would never reach 160 and just do average at 100.
    Who said that it was? People are individuals. Of course there are wide ranges within races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
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    Researchers have previously shown that a person’s IQ is highly influenced by genetic factors, and have even identified certain genes that play a role.
    Genes don't just influence your IQ?they determine how well you do in school | Science | AAAS
    And personality is also genetically predisposed, and certain personality traits greatly affect educational success. Conscientiousness is one trait of the Big Five, and greatly effects many outcomes.

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