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    IQ tests don't measure intelligence. If anything the motivation to take the test can be a big factor. The fact that practice can improve your score demonstrates that the tests have unrecognised variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    IQ tests don't measure intelligence. If anything the motivation to take the test can be a big factor. The fact that practice can improve your score demonstrates that the tests have unregognised variables.
    Bingo! I agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    It would of course make sense to test someone using a language they actually speak, and of course that's how it's done. I'm sure I'd score very poorly in Chinese. But who is it that you're saying is being tested in a language they don't speak?
    Understand that not every person learns the same english you did. Vocabulary is very different for people raised in the south and those raised in the west. Lots of phrases have different meanings in California and Alabama and New York.
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    I think Eve hit on something important when she used the 9 traits to determine IQ somewhat. I grew up in a lower class working family. We had next to nothing. The subject of higher education just almost never came up. It was widely assumed that we'd all just do what our parents did. Work at unskilled labor types of jobs.

    Almost everyone quit school, (including me) and went to work to help with the family bills. I remember visiting a cousin back then whose parents were educated and lived an upper middle class lifestyle. They owned their house and drove newer cars etc. My cousin was always talking about going to college.

    It was strange and alien to me. He went on to law school and is a practicing corporate lawyer. But his friends would be over and the subject always came around to dreams of college. I think that an environment where kids are expected to go to college made all the difference.

    It's as if they were a different breed. That's how out of the norm those attitudes were to me. I think the idea of (Of course you're going to college) was the single most determining factor in their young lives and maybe the biggest determining factor in IQ.
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    Interesting couple of (free) tests. Got pretty much the same result, though one gave a minimum only, while the other gave a range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    Understand that not every person learns the same english you did. Vocabulary is very different for people raised in the south and those raised in the west. Lots of phrases have different meanings in California and Alabama and New York.
    Are you saying that the academics who write intelligence tests are using regional vernacular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Interesting couple of (free) tests. Got pretty much the same result, though one gave a minimum only, while the other gave a range.
    Mm hmm. "Above 125" doesn't really pin it down, but with only 10 questions what did you expect? Likewise with "or higher".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    An IQ test is not a knowledge test, it's an attempt to test a person's facility at thinking. Consequently, having "been exposed to the same information" and having "been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts" doesn't enter into it. You must be thinking of achievement tests.
    And certainly intelligence potential is determined by genetics, just as potential height, appearance, longevity, etc., are. Negative environmental, social, emotional, etc., inputs can only lower the outcome from there, but not raise it above a genetically predetermined level.
    Genetics determines an awful lot. Every human being is a unique experiment, a reshuffling of the deck with many variation cards shuffled in each time, and you never know what you're gonna get.
    Exactly... it's not knowledge, it's capacity to reason.

    That's why they found that you can't really "train" for an iq test beyond a few points.

    It is similar to height in that genetically you will have an ideal height, but with poor nutrition, you might not reach that potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Mm hmm. "Above 125" doesn't really pin it down, but with only 10 questions what did you expect? Likewise with "or higher".
    Of course. The numbers it gives really make no sense, in the context of 10 questions. In the second one, 8 questions, which were all pretty much the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Exactly... it's not knowledge, it's capacity to reason.

    That's why they found that you can't really "train" for an iq test beyond a few points.
    On the other hand, the LSAT tests the capacity to reason in three different areas - reading comprehension, analytical reasoning, and logical reasoning. And you can take classes to improve your score.

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