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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    I've already said people are individuals, and should be judged as such, and furthermore there is a full spectrum of intelligence and other abilities to be found in any racial group. There is no question about that.

    To say flatly that "intelligence is equal along races", implying equal distribution and identical averages, might make you feel good but empirical evidence contradicts you.

    Is athletic ability also "equal along races"? Why are the NBA and NFL dominated by black athletes? I'm not saying white athletes can't excel, but they certainly don't excel as often. Can you think of "common social and environmental factors" that prevent white athletes from attaining the same levels of talent and skill in football for instance? Or might there be, on average, some inherent differences between races?
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    @Otto Throttle the theory is that the gene pool of the African American in the USA is made up of the very bravest and strongest and fastest of the people on the continent of Africa. People were caught in Africa when slave traders would arrive by ship and ambush villages. Word would get out to surrounding villages and the bravest and strongest of men and woman would go to fight the invaders. Of course the use of guns was one sided and capture or death the only option. A result the slave traders got the best of the best and actually sought out the tallest and strongest men and woman they could find and capture. They fetched the best price and the chances are they would survive the long sea trip to their invaders homeland was better the greater their general physical shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    While I can't attest to its accuracy, a medical professional told me that two idiots could produce a genius. It was explained by using the cards in a poker hand as an analogy of sorts. Each parent could hold only a pair, relatively speaking not a strong hand. But if the pairs are the same and their offspring receives them, that offspring would have 4 of a kind, which is a strong hand.
    True, but I was told by a tree surgeon that two small bush like trees can't make an oak tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    @Otto Throttle the theory is that the gene pool of the African American in the USA is made up of the very bravest and strongest and fastest of the people on the continent of Africa. People were caught in Africa when slave traders would arrive by ship and ambush villages. Word would get out to surrounding villages and the bravest and strongest of men and woman would go to fight the invaders. Of course the use of guns was one sided and capture or death the only option. A result the slave traders got the best of the best and actually sought out the tallest and strongest men and woman they could find and capture. They fetched the best price and the chances are they would survive the long sea trip to their invaders homeland was better the greater their general physical shape.
    I've never heard your version of history. That's a very fanciful story about "the bravest and strongest" fighting the slave traders, but it didn't happen that way.
    The African slave trade started with African kingdoms selling their captives acquired through warfare. In the kingdom of Dahomey for instance, thousands of captives per year were sacrificed. When the kings of Dahomey found they could sell those captives it became a huge source of wealth, although they still retained some for sacrifice in keeping with their traditions.
    The Wolof empire was also a source of slaves acquired through warfare and, as the trade became very lucrative for them, there were slave raids conducted by the Wolof against their neighbors.
    Your story is actually pretty close to what got Jimmy the Greek fired.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people#Slavery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin#Portuguese_Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    I've never heard your version of history. That's a very fanciful story about "the bravest and strongest" fighting the slave traders, but it didn't happen that way.
    The African slave trade started with African kingdoms selling their captives acquired through warfare. In the kingdom of Dahomey for instance, thousands of captives per year were sacrificed. When the kings of Dahomey found they could sell those captives it became a huge source of wealth, although they still retained some for sacrifice in keeping with their traditions.
    The Wolof empire was also a source of slaves acquired through warfare and, as the trade became very lucrative for them, there were slave raids conducted by the Wolof against their neighbors.
    Your story is actually pretty close to what got Jimmy the Greek fired.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people#Slavery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin#Portuguese_Empire
    Mr. Trottle,

    So true, as was Zanzibar, under Arab rule, was the largest slave trading port in Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Are you saying that the academics who write intelligence tests are using regional vernacular?
    NO. What I am saying, and getting tired of the repeat, is that not everyone speaks the same english. Just as you do not grasp what I mean by the words used so is it that people taking a test may not fully understand the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    NO. What I am saying, and getting tired of the repeat, is that not everyone speaks the same english. Just as you do not grasp what I mean by the words used so is it that people taking a test may not fully understand the questions.
    I know what you mean. Having been raised in the foothills of the Virginia mountains, I have often been asked if English is my second language. While I don't know how I would do on an IQ test, I do know that I have good old country down home wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    NO. What I am saying, and getting tired of the repeat, is that not everyone speaks the same english. Just as you do not grasp what I mean by the words used so is it that people taking a test may not fully understand the questions.
    Mr. Bob,

    Last time I looked, there was only one English language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Bob,

    Last time I looked, there was only one English language.
    Yes, but I also have heard that one of the biggest differences between Americans and the British is our common language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    I've already said people are individuals, and should be judged as such, and furthermore there is a full spectrum of intelligence and other abilities to be found in any racial group. There is no question about that.

    To say flatly that "intelligence is equal along races", implying equal distribution and identical averages, might make you feel good but empirical evidence contradicts you.

    Is athletic ability also "equal along races"? Why are the NBA and NFL dominated by black athletes? I'm not saying white athletes can't excel, but they certainly don't excel as often. Can you think of "common social and environmental factors" that prevent white athletes from attaining the same levels of talent and skill in football for instance? Or might there be, on average, some inherent differences between races?
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    You're joking, right?

    There are socio economic factors which make athletics a major way out of poverty for people of certain demographics. When no one wants to pitch in to help fund your inner city school and you are in the inner city because even though your mom and dad work 2-3 jobs each to put food in front of you, (often working for people in the suburbs they can't afford to live in) they did not grow up in wealthy families (like those where daddy lends Jr. a million dollars to make his way in the world) started work when very young and struggle to make ends meet. Athletics is an avenue out of those cycles for those that have the talent. Others have many more options and as a population do not have centuries of history as slaves that were prevented from learning how to read and write and generally become intelligent beyond the bare basics of what they needed to know or were taught to be submissive and NOT show intelligence, because "uppity" (intelligent) slaves made some of their slave owners, very uncomfortable and worried that might incite others to want to be more than simply free. White people excelling at certain sports is perhaps less a factor of their capacity as their having other avenues to pursue. Certain gene pools also make some more suited for certain sports than others, with regard to height and skills.

    In addition, no matter WHO rounded up people for slaves, whether they be Africans OR from the Americas, certain features were looked for, because they were to be sold. The strongest, quite obviously would be prized because they would fetch the best prices at auction and be parents to the strongest children.....

    Those looking for slaves to round up, for their own use or to sell, WEREN'T looking for the weak and infirm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    I've never heard your version of history. That's a very fanciful story about "the bravest and strongest" fighting the slave traders, but it didn't happen that way.
    The African slave trade started with African kingdoms selling their captives acquired through warfare. In the kingdom of Dahomey for instance, thousands of captives per year were sacrificed. When the kings of Dahomey found they could sell those captives it became a huge source of wealth, although they still retained some for sacrifice in keeping with their traditions.
    The Wolof empire was also a source of slaves acquired through warfare and, as the trade became very lucrative for them, there were slave raids conducted by the Wolof against their neighbors.
    Your story is actually pretty close to what got Jimmy the Greek fired.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people#Slavery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin#Portuguese_Empire
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Trottle,

    So true, as was Zanzibar, under Arab rule, was the largest slave trading port in Africa.
    The story is still true just because the white men subcontracted the dirty work of the rounding up of the villagers doesn’t make the fact that only the strongest and bravest ended up being captured. The people that didn’t flea and stayed to fight their captures in the front line were braver than the sort that ran away. Do you think the slaves went willingly because the group doing the raiding were fellow Africans? Plus those transported by ship were chosen specifically because they were thought more able to survive the trip (bigger and stronger). The death of the slave during the voyage affected the slave trade bottom line after all.

    I don’t think it’s an accident that the fastest runners in the world are Jamaican and are descendants of slaves from the Akan region of West Africa, presently known as Ghana.The ones transported by ship were probably the most fit the had captured and they likely fetched the highest price end up in Jamaica and were purchased by the local whites.

    More than 1 million slaves are estimated to have been transported directly from Africa to Jamaica during the period of slavery; of these, 200,000 were reexported to other places in the Americas. During the 17th and 18th centuries, the Akan, Ga, and Adangbe from the northwestern coastal region known as the Gold Coast (around modern Ghana) dominated the slave trade to the island. Not until 1776 did slaves imported from other parts of Africa-Igbos from the Bight of Biafra (southern modern Nigeria) and Kongos from Central Africa-outnumber slaves from the Gold Coast. But slaves from these regions represented 46 percent of the total number of slaves. The demand for slaves required about 10,000 to be imported annually. Thus slaves born in Africa far outnumbered those who were born in Jamaica; on average they constituted more than 80 percent of the slave population until Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. When Britain abolished the institution of slavery in 1834, Jamaica had a population of more than 311,000 slaves and only about 16,700 whites.

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/130.html
    Last edited by Eve1; 12th February 2018 at 02:00 PM.

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