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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    You're joking, right?

    There are socio economic factors which make athletics a major way out of poverty for people of certain demographics. When no one wants to pitch in to help fund your inner city school and you are in the inner city because even though your mom and dad work 2-3 jobs each to put food in front of you, (often working for people in the suburbs they can't afford to live in) they did not grow up in wealthy families (like those where daddy lends Jr. a million dollars to make his way in the world) started work when very young and struggle to make ends meet. Athletics is an avenue out of those cycles for those that have the talent. Others have many more options and as a population do not have centuries of history as slaves that were prevented from learning how to read and write and generally become intelligent beyond the bare basics of what they needed to know or were taught to be submissive and NOT show intelligence, because "uppity" (intelligent) slaves made some of their slave owners, very uncomfortable and worried that might incite others to want to be more than simply free. White people excelling at certain sports is perhaps less a factor of their capacity as their having other avenues to pursue. Certain gene pools also make some more suited for certain sports than others, with regard to height and skills.

    In addition, no matter WHO rounded up people for slaves, whether they be Africans OR from the Americas, certain features were looked for, because they were to be sold. The strongest, quite obviously would be prized because they would fetch the best prices at auction and be parents to the strongest children.....

    Those looking for slaves to round up, for their own use or to sell, WEREN'T looking for the weak and infirm.
    So you're saying that all those white kids on typical high school football teams who appear to be working and practicing as hard as anyone else don't simply lack inherent talent but rather fail to develop pro level skills because they don't need to? Are you saying successful athletes are generally from poor families? That's a hell of a theory. Do you have anything to support it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    The story is still true just because the white men subcontracted the dirty work of the rounding up of the villagers doesn’t make the fact that only the strongest and bravest ended up being captured. The people that didn’t flea and stayed to fight their captures in the front line were braver than the sort that ran away. Do you think the slaves went willingly because the group doing the raiding were fellow Africans? Plus those transported by ship were chosen specifically because they were thought more able to survive the trip (bigger and stronger). The death of the slave during the voyage affected the slave trade bottom line after all.

    I don’t think it’s an accident that the fastest runners in the world are Jamaican and are descendants of slaves from the Akan region of West Africa, presently known as Ghana.The ones transported by ship were probably the most fit the had captured and they likely fetched the highest price end up in Jamaica and were purchased by the local whites.

    More than 1 million slaves are estimated to have been transported directly from Africa to Jamaica during the period of slavery; of these, 200,000 were reexported to other places in the Americas. During the 17th and 18th centuries, the Akan, Ga, and Adangbe from the northwestern coastal region known as the Gold Coast (around modern Ghana) dominated the slave trade to the island. Not until 1776 did slaves imported from other parts of Africa-Igbos from the Bight of Biafra (southern modern Nigeria) and Kongos from Central Africa-outnumber slaves from the Gold Coast. But slaves from these regions represented 46 percent of the total number of slaves. The demand for slaves required about 10,000 to be imported annually. Thus slaves born in Africa far outnumbered those who were born in Jamaica; on average they constituted more than 80 percent of the slave population until Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. When Britain abolished the institution of slavery in 1834, Jamaica had a population of more than 311,000 slaves and only about 16,700 whites.

    Jamaica
    So it's the fastest ones who were caught?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    So it's the fastest ones who were caught?
    Yes, the warriors stayed behind to fight. The men that could provide the most for the villages while hunting would have been the warriors. To keep up with big game and unlike big game hunters of today they didn’t have the option of one shot and killing their pray. They also had a more dangerous method of getting food. They would steal food from large game after they killed it and run for their lives with the food. Also a reason the best endurance runners are from Africa as well, genetically speaking only the fastest and strongest runners would live and reproduce. Natural selection.


    However, even modern hunter gatherers - with the benefits of things like the invention of the spear, the bow and arrow and the slingshot - do a lot more gathering, than they do hunting, since it is more efficient.

    The Dorobo people of Kenya have an even more audacious method: drive lions off a kill, that the pride has just made, quickly hack a piece off for themselves, and then run for it before the lions get wise to the fact that they just got robbed by possibly the least-lethal-animal on the entire savanna.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-human-...-start-hunting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    So you're saying that all those white kids on typical high school football teams who appear to be working and practicing as hard as anyone else don't simply lack inherent talent but rather fail to develop pro level skills because they don't need to? Are you saying successful athletes are generally from poor families? That's a hell of a theory. Do you have anything to support it?
    Jimmy the Greek, a Vegas sports odds maker, once was asked why did he think black athletes seemed to dominate certain professional sports. He attributed to their slave heritage. He suggested that it was because the slave owners would breed their slaves to assure the best physical attributes. As a result, he lost his job.

    I do know that if Jimmy had seen a golf buddy of mine play, he may not have lost his job. Seriously though, I think professional golf illustrates the impact of demographics. Why aren't there more black PGA tour members if singularly the result of physical capabilities. Golf is not an inner city sport, nor is it a cheap sport in which to play. No doubt geographic demographics and economics play an important part. However, basketball is an inner city sport that is not significantly impacted by the economic status of the participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Jimmy the Greek, a Vegas sports odds maker, once was asked why did he think black athletes seemed to dominate certain professional sports. He attributed to their slave heritage. He suggested that it was because the slave owners would breed their slaves to assure the best physical attributes. As a result, he lost his job.

    I do know that if Jimmy had seen a golf buddy of mine play, he may not have lost his job. Seriously though, I think professional golf illustrates the impact of demographics. Why aren't there more black PGA tour members if singularly the result of physical capabilities. Golf is not an inner city sport, nor is it a cheap sport in which to play. No doubt geographic demographics and economics play an important part. However, basketball is an inner city sport that is not significantly impacted by the economic status of the participants.
    Perhaps because golf doesn't require the ability to run fast or to leap vertically.
    As sports go, golf is closer to billiards then it is to football, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc., where the ball actually moves, and clearly different skill sets are required for each of those.
    As far as cultural differences affecting participation, football is as good an example as I can think of to disprove that theory. Football is widely participated in by all races, yet on the professional level black athletes excel. Basketball is also widely participated in but perhaps less evenly than football, and black athletes excel in basketball all the more as a result so I don't think that sport makes as compelling an example as football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Perhaps because golf doesn't require the ability to run fast or to leap vertically.
    As sports go, golf is closer to billiards then it is to football, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc., where the ball actually moves, and clearly different skill sets are required for each of those.
    As far as cultural differences affecting participation, football is as good an example as I can think of to disprove that theory. Football is widely participated in by all races, yet on the professional level black athletes excel. Basketball is also widely participated in but perhaps less evenly than football, and black athletes excel in basketball all the more as a result so I don't think that sport makes as compelling an example as football.
    You mentioned hockey. While I am not a big hockey fan, never the less, one doesn't see a lot of black professional hockey players. To what extent to you perceive it to be impacted by demographics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    You mentioned hockey. While I am not a big hockey fan, never the less, one doesn't see a lot of black professional hockey players. To what extent to you perceive it to be impacted by demographics.
    Hockey is an expensive sport. Ice rinks for games are not free, equipment is expensive and organized clubs have steep fees with practise times early in the morning or late at night. Traveling is also a must for any player that expects to develop his skills against other good players on different teams. Parents have to not only be able to afford having their kid play but must also have the time to take them to their games and practises. They are usually over a weekend away from home for at least half the season.Hockey parents are a breed onto themselves that need to be as committed as their kid to get the attention of big league scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Hockey is a expensive sport. Ice rinks for games are not free, equipment is expensive and organized clubs have steep fees. Traveling is also a must for any player that expects to develop his skills against other good players. Parents have to not only be able to afford having their kid play but must also have the time to take them to their games and practises. They are usually over a weekend away from home for at least half the season.
    Ms. Eve,

    Yeah, not like football, where they play in vacant lots, there is almost no equipment, no organized clubs, and parents don't have to take time off to take them to games and practices, which are usually on weekdays close to home....

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    Why is it liberals have to make everthing about Gender or race or ethnicity... IQ tests are taken by INDIVIDUALS not ethnic racial or gender groups.

    But the person that wrote this OP supports the status quo that FORCES minority children into the worst Schools... So the Test isn't racist. the policies and politicians that the @Eve1 supports IS RACE BASED..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    So you're saying that all those white kids on typical high school football teams who appear to be working and practicing as hard as anyone else don't simply lack inherent talent but rather fail to develop pro level skills because they don't need to? Are you saying successful athletes are generally from poor families? That's a hell of a theory. Do you have anything to support it?
    Don't about the specific American context.

    However, in Russian sports, for example, there is a clear correlation.

    The national men's wrestling teams, freestyle or Greco-Roman, are dominated by athletes from harsh backgrounds, most of them - ethnic minorities from Caucasus and Siberia (and also Slavs from poor rural small towns mostly)

    For them, an Olympic win is not just the medal, or even the money award from the Ministry of Sports. It is their ticket out of whatever God forsaken shithole they had to grow up in, and a chance to get your family, your parents and siblings out of there too.

    So, they work their asses off in training, give it all 200%.

    They went to London, and later to Rio, and fought like wild beasts out there


    And won Golds, lots of them, gloriously



    Same for the Judo team too, for instance. In London in 2012, Tagir Haibullaev from Dagestan practically brought Putin himself, in the audience, to tears of joy, and got a royal kiss on the forehead after his match

    lol

    Meanwhile, the swimming team, made mainly of Slavic boys from privileged families from Moscow and St. Petersburg (because it takes wealthy parents, in Russia, to even afford a spot at an elite training pool) don't really give a crap about their sport, are known for poor discipline, partying more than training, disrespecting their coaches, et al.

    They got a Bronze in London

    and a big, shining bupkis in Rio, I believe.

    There ya go. Privileged, wralthy kids vs. those much less so.
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