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    IQ tests and race versus OTHER

    Genetics (based on race) I would argue has nothing to do with intelligence. Intelligence tests assumes everybody has been exposed to the same information and everybody has been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts under the same circumstances.

    I think the likelihood that the child has been exposed to the information needed to do well on intelligence tests can be figured out if they have attended formal schooling accredited to achieve a certain degree=elementary, secondary, post secondary education (FE).The tools needed to get that information to stick in their minds relies more on Family and common social and environmental factors (FSEC).

    Students should be screened on their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF)and next on grade level achieved (FE) . The higher the FSEF the higher the IQ score. I'm betting that this is independent of race. There may be more of one race than another race based on percentages in the general population but that has more to do with the score on FSEF. How do you calculate FSEF? You give points 1 or 0 to the above.

    1 is yes and 0 is No

    1. nuclear family is in tact
    2. family points out benefits of higher education always or almost always when discussing child's future
    3. family takes an interest in the school by going to parent teacher interviews always or almost always
    4. encourages education is #1 priority in the child's life always or almost always
    5. praises doing well in school always or almost always
    5. extended family re-enforces the above always or almost always
    6. in the greater community (local neighbourhood) the above is also the case in terms of encouragement, praise and value put on higher education always or almost always
    7. Completed Primary School-1-6
    8. Completed Secondary School 7-12
    9. Completed Post Secondary School (college)

    Perfect Score=10, Average=5, Poor= less than 5
    *everybody gets at least 1 for breathing

    If you score kids on the above I think you will have a greater likelihood of predicting who does well on the intelligence tests and who does poorly.

    *Note when I say greater in number I mean in relation to the percentage of the population they represent out of the 100.

    In other words if Asians are 10% of the general population than out of 100 test takers there are only 10 Asians out of the whole 100, But they may get 6 out of their 10 get the perfect score that is 60% of their population subgroup.

    Blacks could represent 20% of the 100 so that would be 20 people but only 2 gets the perfect score that's 10% of their population subgroup.

    Whites would be the balance at 70% or 70 people but out of that 70 only 14 get the perfect score and that would only be 20% of their subgroup.

    So the break down out of the 100 with top scores= 6 Asian (10% of the whole but 60% subgroup (SG))
    2 Black (30% of the whole group but 10% of SG)
    14 Whites (70% of the whole group but 20% of SG)

    The representation down racial lines may not be in proportion with the percentage they hold in the sample but still not a result of genetics but rather their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF)and next on grade level achieved (FE)

    https://www.123test.com/iq-test/

    Take the FSEF test in my post and then take the two free IQ tests you will find in the link. Come back and make comments on your score, feel free to share and note your race. Maybe we can generate a discussion on our results when we have our own data here on PH.
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    The problem with these IQ-race tests are that there are so many variables as to reder them useless unless someone is pushing some agenda.

    To truly investigate IQ and race one would have to take large samples of women who were recently impregnated....give all of them as close to equal amounts of care and stimulus during pregnancy...as equal a birth and remove the child as soon as possible to begin study.

    Children would have to be either placed in control groups or groupings of race or mixed race groups. The children would have to be given as equal as possible rearing with the exact kind of up bringing for all groups

    then after years of testing researchers could start to gauge intelligence of the different groups.


    Of course this would be highly immoral and not allow. so unless we can experiment on humans like lab rats, we will never know
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    USA made joint 9th place. I'm surprised as well.

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    An IQ test is not a knowledge test, it's an attempt to test a person's facility at thinking. Consequently, having "been exposed to the same information" and having "been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts" doesn't enter into it. You must be thinking of achievement tests.
    And certainly intelligence potential is determined by genetics, just as potential height, appearance, longevity, etc., are. Negative environmental, social, emotional, etc., inputs can only lower the outcome from there, but not raise it above a genetically predetermined level.
    Genetics determines an awful lot. Every human being is a unique experiment, a reshuffling of the deck with many variation cards shuffled in each time, and you never know what you're gonna get.
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    What difference does it make? How should the world change in response to having learned that one particular group of people is statistically better or worse at taking IQ tests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    An IQ test is not a knowledge test, it's an attempt to test a person's facility at thinking. Consequently, having "been exposed to the same information" and having "been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts" doesn't enter into it. You must be thinking of achievement tests.
    And certainly intelligence potential is determined by genetics, just as potential height, appearance, longevity, etc., are. Negative environmental, social, emotional, etc., inputs can only lower the outcome from there, but not raise it above a genetically predetermined level.
    Genetics determines an awful lot. Every human being is a unique experiment, a reshuffling of the deck with many variation cards shuffled in each time, and you never know what you're gonna get.
    The questions and information referred to in the tests do single out low income because of English literacy. There are questions with pictures of drawn characters that are to be put in the correct order and if a person is not exposed to those elements in life the answer is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    The questions and information referred to in the tests do single out low income because of English literacy. There are questions with pictures of drawn characters that are to be put in the correct order and if a person is not exposed to those elements in life the answer is moot.
    It would of course make sense to test someone using a language they actually speak, and of course that's how it's done. I'm sure I'd score very poorly in Chinese. But who is it that you're saying is being tested in a language they don't speak?

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    Wait till DNA designed baby technology is available. Anybody not 110% will be living in a swamp.

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    I've taken a few IQ tests over the years and if consistency is a factor in accurately assessing one's ability to think critically and logically, then I don't think much of them because I've scored differently each time by a wide enough margin that it seems a useless exercise.

    BTW I scored only a 3 on the below written example. Am I just an over achiever?
    Last edited by namvet69; 11th February 2018 at 02:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    USA made joint 9th place. I'm surprised as well.

    https://photius.com/rankings/nationa...try_ranks.html

    That is a very racist list!

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