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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Suicide and homicide are two different things ... it is comparing apples and oranges.
    Drug overdoses aren't intentional suicide. Otherwise the drug trade would evaporate pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Drug overdoses aren't intentional suicide. Otherwise the drug trade would evaporate pretty quickly.
    Arguably, they are, at least in many cases. Not always consciously, but it is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I actually wouldn't have a problem with such a law if it provided some reasonable national minimum requirements for licensing........and a magazine capacity limit of ten rounds.
    Thats where its going to get tied up, states like NH and VT and a few others have no permits at all. We are allowed to carry concealed without a permit. So that would seem difficult since there are no permits at all. From what I have read they want people to just show their home state permits in other states.

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    The CBS "news" article linked in the OP includes the phrase "Mississippi, a state with the fourth highest gun fatality rate [which includes suicides and accidents] in the country and some of the weakest gun laws." Hmmm, I wonder if there's anything to it?
    Let's see, Mississippi doesn't require a firearm license or permit to purchase a gun, doesn't require registration, doesn't require a permit to carry, doesn't restrict magazine capacity or "assault" weapons, and 42.8% of households have guns in them, and they have a murder/non-negligent manslaughter rate of 8.7/100k residents. That's higher than any other state except Louisiana with 10.3/100k, and Washington D.C. has a rate of 24.2/100k, but of course it's a city, not a state.
    8.7 is very high then, but are the state's lax gun laws to blame? The next state in order for murder/non-negligent manslaughter rate, at 8.6/100k, is Maryland. Maryland requires a permit to purchase a handgun, requires registration, requires a carry permit, has an "assault" weapon ban, has a 10 round magazine restriction and requires background checks for private sales, and only 20.7% of Maryland households have guns in them, but the homicide rate is still 8.6. WTF Maryland? 8.6??? It's like you just aren't even trying...

    Here's another bit of incredibly inept "reporting" by CBS on guns, hilarious reading. They clearly are not doing their homework.
    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/1...tates-america/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state
    http://static3.businessinsider.com/i...-state-map.png
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...tates_by_state
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats where its going to get tied up, states like NH and VT and a few others have no permits at all. We are allowed to carry concealed without a permit. So that would seem difficult since there are no permits at all. From what I have read they want people to just show their home state permits in other states.
    I guess if you are VT, you don't have a permit to show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    I guess if you are VT, you don't have a permit to show?
    What some "Constitutional carry" states do is issue a permit if you want it, which other states may then recognize, but you don't need it to carry concealed in state. Since Vermont has always been permit free I don't think they foresaw that need, and they're probably unlikely to act now for the convenience of VT gun owners seeing as how they're overrun with moonbats.
    BTW, lest fearful libs get their thong in a tangle, none of this applies to felons, those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, illegal aliens, fugitives, drug addicts, or those adjudicated mentally incompetent. Those people are federally barred from buying guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This was on 60 minutes. This law should pass and we will all be safer

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/conceal...-act-showdown/
    Republicans do not like the federal government telling States what they have to do. State's rights is a Republican belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    The CBS "news" article linked in the OP includes the phrase "Mississippi, a state with the fourth highest gun fatality rate [which includes suicides and accidents] in the country and some of the weakest gun laws." Hmmm, I wonder if there's anything to it?
    Let's see, Mississippi doesn't require a firearm license or permit to purchase a gun, doesn't require registration, doesn't require a permit to carry, doesn't restrict magazine capacity or "assault" weapons, and 42.8% of households have guns in them, and they have a murder/non-negligent manslaughter rate of 8.7/100k residents. That's higher than any other state except Louisiana with 10.3/100k, and Washington D.C. has a rate of 24.2/100k, but of course it's a city, not a state.
    8.7 is very high then, but are the state's lax gun laws to blame? The next state in order for murder/non-negligent manslaughter rate, at 8.6/100k, is Maryland. Maryland requires a permit to purchase a handgun, requires registration, requires a carry permit, has an "assault" weapon ban, has a 10 round magazine restriction and requires background checks for private sales, and only 20.7% of Maryland households have guns in them, but the homicide rate is still 8.6. WTF Maryland? 8.6??? It's like you just aren't even trying...

    Here's another bit of incredibly inept "reporting" by CBS on guns, hilarious reading. They clearly are not doing their homework.
    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/1...tates-america/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state
    http://static3.businessinsider.com/i...-state-map.png
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...tates_by_state
    Then why would any state allow someone from Mississippi to carry in their state without the bare minimum of education?

    Or why should a state does not allow their constituents to carry under any circumstance be forced to allow Mississippi's problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Suicide and homicide are two different things ... it is comparing apples and oranges.
    And yet suicides are often included in gun death statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    HA! Tell that to Trump next time he "tweets" disparaging comments about our FBI, comrade.

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