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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estima...uns_per_capita

    Also, the U.S. is 11th for total guns; 18th for homicides; 2nd for suicides; 12th for accidents; 29th for unintentional death; 1st for guns per inhabitant; and 46th for firearm-related deaths per gun per year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eath_rate#List



    All that said, while I actually favor concealed-carry reciprocity, I am not sure it is (or is not) constitutional for Congress to pass a law making it so.
    They are claiming it is in the second amendment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I actually wouldn't have a problem with such a law if it provided some reasonable national minimum requirements for licensing........and a magazine capacity limit of ten rounds.

    Why the magazine capacity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    One problem with the quoted article is that it ignores the states where no permit is even required for concealed carry already:
    Alaska
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    Idaho
    Kansas
    Maine
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Vermont
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    And it ignores the fact that those states already have very low rates of gun violence.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
    And it ignores the fact that the 42 states that have passed "shall issue" carry permitting have had DECREASES in violent crime.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-carry_law
    And it ignores the fact that people who acquire concealed carry permits are extraordinarily law abiding.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2015/02/cp...-even-more-so/
    Strangely it seems that the states with the strictest gun control have the higher rates of gun violence. Weird, huh?
    And the biggest problem with the absurd notion that making concealed carry permits reciprocal would somehow increase gun violence is the assumption that violent CRIMINALS are in any way restrained by their lack of carry permits. Seriously, you have to be incredibly dense to believe that.
    How is that a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And yet suicides are often included in gun death statistics.
    Is a suicide a death?
    Are some committed with firearms?
    Then why would they NOT be included in "gun death" stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Arguably, they are, at least in many cases. Not always consciously, but it is there.
    More likely accidental overdose

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...erdose-w515472

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Republicans do not like the federal government telling States what they have to do. State's rights is a Republican belief.
    What are you ranting about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And yet suicides are often included in gun death statistics.
    Yes, they are. However, you can separate them within the stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats where its going to get tied up, states like NH and VT and a few others have no permits at all.
    They might to start issuing them as a practical matter, even if it merely upon request without qualification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are claiming it is in the second amendment.
    The 2nd Amendment does not give Congress the authority to make legislation requiring states to honor the CCPs (by whatever name/initials) of other states, because it is not an interstate commerce issue, unlike driver's licenses.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    More likely accidental overdose.
    In particular cases, sure. In many, many others though the person is suicidal to some degree already, and by self-medicating end up killing themselves. It is a characteristic shared by many alcoholics and drug addicts.

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