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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    We can only hope. Too many Americans still think they have to be able to fight their own government....
    Or that they actually could go up against the firepower of the US government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    No one said a word about confiscating anything. We don't want anymore manufactured or sold. There is no good reason for anyone to own one unless they're in the military.
    I refer you to the thread by Czernobog.

    Title is "Yes. I do."

    He/she said several words about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I refer you to the thread by Czernobog.

    Title is "Yes. I do."

    He/she said several words about it.
    Okay. A minority are mentioning it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I refer you to the thread by Czernobog.

    Title is "Yes. I do."

    He/she said several words about it.
    Like I said, slim to no chance of it happening. I believe we the people would vote for reasonable gun control measures. If it’s too draconian then even I would resist the government going into peoples homes to disarm the population with no due process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Or that they actually could go up against the firepower of the US government.
    I always laugh when I hear someone say "they need guns to fight against the government". Currently, if the government wanted to attack their own citizens, they would send a drone and take out their entire home or town. No gun will defend you against that or fighter jets, etc. This is idiocy.

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    As I opened the CT scan last week to read the next case, I was baffled. The history simply read “gunshot wound.” I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the nation for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. I thought that I knew all that I needed to know about gunshot wounds, but the specific pattern of injury on my computer screen was one that I had seen only once before.

    In a typical handgun injury that I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ like the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, grey bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

    I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

    The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. There was nothing left to repair, and utterly, devastatingly, nothing that could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.

    A year ago, when a gunman opened fire at the Fort Lauderdale airport with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun, hitting 11 people in 90 seconds, I was also on call. It was not until I had diagnosed the third of the six victims who were transported to the trauma center that I realized something out-of-the-ordinary must have happened. The gunshot wounds were the same low velocity handgun injuries as those I diagnose every day; only their rapid succession set them apart. And all six of the victims who arrived at the hospital that day survived.

    Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim's body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our care at a trauma center, chances are, we can save the victim. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine cartridge with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
    As a doctor, I feel I have a duty to inform the public of what I have learned as I have observed these wounds and cared for these patients. It’s clear to me that AR-15 or other high-velocity weapons, especially when outfitted with a high-capacity magazine, have no place in a civilian’s gun cabinet. I have friends who own AR-15 rifles; they enjoy shooting them at target practice for sport, and fervently defend their right to own them. But I cannot accept that their right to enjoy their hobby supersedes my right to send my own children to school, to a movie theater, or to a concert and to know that they are safe. Can the answer really be to subject our school children to active shooter drills—to learn to hide under desks, turn off the lights, lock the door and be silent—instead of addressing the root cause of the problem and passing legislation to take AR-15-style weapons out of the hands of civilians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    An estimated 8 million AR-15's in the United States? It is no wonder that the left is pushing so hard to get these weapons banned? If they were successful at getting the AR-15 banned, how would they confiscate those 8 million weapons? The number would actually be far higher because the AR-15 is but one weapon on a list that the left wants to ban. Is this the issue that the Democrats are willing to make the 2018 elections about? Banning the AR-15 and other "assault weapons"? They need something beyond, they are not Trump.
    Yeah, banning firearms has worked so well for Democrats in the past. I think they should keep on trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Yeah, banning firearms has worked so well for Democrats in the past.
    Support for universal background checks is itself almost universal, 97 - 2 percent, including 97 - 3 percent among gun owners. Support for gun control on other questions is at its highest level since the Quinnipiac University Poll began focusing on this issue in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre:

    67 - 29 percent for a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons;
    83 - 14 percent for a mandatory waiting period for all gun purchases. It is too easy to buy a gun in the U.S. today, American voters say 67 - 3 percent. If more people carried guns, the U.S. would be less safe, voters say 59 - 33 percent. Congress needs to do more to reduce gun violence, voters say 75 - 17 percent.
    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2521

    You were saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    So like magic, you ban the gun and the schools are safe? Lay it out for us. 8 million of these weapons out there, how long does your ban take before schools are safe?
    By your pseudo logic, because banning murder hasn't stopped murder, we should stop banning murder.

    How long after banning murder will we be free from murder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Or that they actually could go up against the firepower of the US government.
    Our Government.



    Y'all Qaeda

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