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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    That is one hell of a conundrum. I mean, some think all religions save their own are fraudulent, and others think all religions are fraudulent.
    True, and that is why law enforcement should be charged with a determination just as they are charged to do with all other cases of fraud.

    Nothing quite like an impartial educated and professional third party to determine the truth of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

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    Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

    Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

    Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

    Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

    I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

    Do you?

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    I think if your gullible enought to be frauded by these religions, to the point of losing a significant amount of money, then that's your cross to bear.

    Honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The governments decide what other frauds are frauds within the country, so why would you think they should be exempt from determining which religions are using lies and are fraudulent?

    Why the double standard?
    It is not a "double standard." You are comparing apples to motor oil. Where the government may not abridge the free exercise of religion, and may not make any legislation respecting an establishment of religion, it therefore cannot decide what is a legitimate religion and what is not. The whole point is that religion is not the government's business (and vice versa).
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    Problem is, governments need regulated as well against fraud but who can do that? I bet it's rife in every country, money is the root of all evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I don't think so.

    Some of the knowledge and wisdom based religions have no need to lie. All the supernatural based religions have to lie.

    The latter are mainstream while the more intelligent are not. Those more intelligent religions would be some Buddhist cults, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians. Those put men above God where we belong. We should not be subservient to Gods since we create all of them.

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    Your act is really getting stale. We get it -- you despise religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNeal View Post
    I think if your gullible enought to be frauded by these religions, to the point of losing a significant amount of money, then that's your cross to bear.

    Honestly.

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    Honestly.

    I think if your unfortunate enough to be the victim of fraud by anyone, to the point of losing a significant amount of money, then that's your cross to bear, is like telling that neighbors of yours, that even if they he calls the authorities, nothing would be done to look into the theft.

    I hope your neighbors do not tell you that my friend. If they are such poor citizens, give me a call and I will see if I can help.

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    I think that so-called religions that fleece their members should be investigated. And, if crimes by a church are alleged it should be looked into. Look at the rape of children or the alienating of family members by Scientology. If law enforcement weren't so intimidated by the political clout of the Catholic church, far fewer kids would have been raped and destroyed. The circling of the wagons that followed the allegations and the reassignment of guilty priests to other parishes should have been prosecuted as Obstruction of justice and those church elders should have been held accountable. ( I'm not sure what became of those folks) but I don't recall the kind of reckoning that should have taken place. A few token priests were sacrificed to take the rap but most were never made to face the charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I think that so-called religions that fleece their members should be investigated. And, if crimes by a church are alleged it should be looked into. Look at the rape of children or the alienating of family members by Scientology. If law enforcement weren't so intimidated by the political clout of the Catholic church, far fewer kids would have been raped and destroyed. The circling of the wagons that followed the allegations and the reassignment of guilty priests to other parishes should have been prosecuted as Obstruction of justice and those church elders should have been held accountable. ( I'm not sure what became of those folks) but I don't recall the kind of reckoning that should have taken place. A few token priests were sacrificed to take the rap but most were never made to face the charges.
    If justice had been done, we would have heard about it my articulate friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Your act is really getting stale. We get it -- you despise religion.
    If you do not hate evil, you are a disgrace to the human race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Problem is, governments need regulated as well against fraud but who can do that? I bet it's rife in every country, money is the root of all evil.
    Money is amoral. We are otherwise.

    We are in fact getting more moral quickly. Most evil markers, including religiosity are heading in the right direction.

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