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    Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

    Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

    https://www.google.ca/search?source=....0.nCgTyqsYAOA

    Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

    Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

    Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

    Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

    I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

    Do you?

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    Thread: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
    Isn't that redundant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

    https://www.google.ca/search?source=....0.nCgTyqsYAOA

    Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

    Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

    Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

    Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

    I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

    Do you?

    Regards
    DL
    When it comes to criminal scams, fraud, Tax dodges... it is RARE if anyone is Prosecuted if they us FAKE RELIGION as a sheild. It's EASY MONEY. You can fleece the flock and.....so what? Even pretty wacko cults get a rather long leash.

    Fools settle for engaging in Auto theft. Eventually they land in Prison with nothing to show for it. Drug pushing? Hell.. your Best customer may kill and rob you. It's not stop paranoia and....the bigger you get the MORE you become a target.

    Scam Religion? Unless you go full PEDOPHILE, it's RARE your crimes are looked into. Koresh was a SOB on many levels... pedophile include, and to this DAY a lot of Right Wing Waco Wackos see him as a folk hero. SICK.

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    In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.
    Detecting fraud is extraordinarily difficult without access to church ledgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Detecting fraud is extraordinarily difficult without access to church ledgers.
    Plus, I am not sure it is the government's business, constitutionally, to determine what religion is fraudulent and what is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

    https://www.google.ca/search?source=....0.nCgTyqsYAOA

    Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

    Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

    Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

    Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

    I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

    Do you?

    Regards
    DL
    That is one hell of a conundrum. I mean, some think all religions save their own are fraudulent, and others think all religions are fraudulent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Isn't that redundant?
    I don't think so.

    Some of the knowledge and wisdom based religions have no need to lie. All the supernatural based religions have to lie.

    The latter are mainstream while the more intelligent are not. Those more intelligent religions would be some Buddhist cults, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians. Those put men above God where we belong. We should not be subservient to Gods since we create all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
    When it comes to criminal scams, fraud, Tax dodges... it is RARE if anyone is Prosecuted if they us FAKE RELIGION as a sheild. It's EASY MONEY. You can fleece the flock and.....so what? Even pretty wacko cults get a rather long leash.

    Fools settle for engaging in Auto theft. Eventually they land in Prison with nothing to show for it. Drug pushing? Hell.. your Best customer may kill and rob you. It's not stop paranoia and....the bigger you get the MORE you become a target.

    Scam Religion? Unless you go full PEDOPHILE, it's RARE your crimes are looked into. Koresh was a SOB on many levels... pedophile include, and to this DAY a lot of Right Wing Waco Wackos see him as a folk hero. SICK.
    U C 20/20.

    How can we get our law enforcers to enforce the fraud laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Detecting fraud is extraordinarily difficult without access to church ledgers.
    Easy to get once a judge convicts them of the fraud that all clergy of the supernatural based religions are guilty of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Plus, I am not sure it is the government's business, constitutionally, to determine what religion is fraudulent and what is not.
    ??

    The governments decide what other frauds are frauds within the country, so why would you think they should be exempt from determining which religions are using lies and are fraudulent?

    Why the double standard?

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