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    Hardening of our Schools

    Oklahoma, which is known for its tornados has a school district that is stepping up to protect its students not only from natural disasters that could happen but from things like the shooting in Sandy Hook. Plaza Towers Elementary School, a school with 500 students has already installed Shelter-in-Place safe rooms in its classrooms. Keep in mind this is the school that was hit by a tornado killing many students.

    The structures cost between $30k and $65k installed. They start at 8' x 8' and get bigger from there. A side note is that these could become just a little more expensive if the price of steel goes up. But would you rather have them made out of American steel or Chinese steel?


    Shelter-in-Place recommends that school districts work with local banks to “establish a low interest lease” to pay for the safe rooms, adding that though schools can apply for FEMA grants, “this process can take several years to complete.”

    In a statement, CEO Jim Haslem said: “Like everyone else in America, we watched in horror the deadly shooting tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary. And then, only a few months later, the deadly EF-5 Tornado that hit the Plaza Towers Elementary School in Moore Oklahoma.

    "And now more recently, we’re again incredibility saddened by the shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School. After seeing these crisis events and saying 'somebody ought to do something,' we realized that we are 'somebody' and we ought to do something.”

    To Keep Students Safe, Oklahoma Is Using Bulletproof Storm Shelters At Elementary and Middle Schools
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Oklahoma, which is known for its tornados has a school district that is stepping up to protect its students not only from natural disasters that could happen but from things like the shooting in Sandy Hook. Plaza Towers Elementary School, a school with 500 students has already installed Shelter-in-Place safe rooms in its classrooms. Keep in mind this is the school that was hit by a tornado killing many students.

    The structures cost between $30k and $65k installed. They start at 8' x 8' and get bigger from there. A side note is that these could become just a little more expensive if the price of steel goes up. But would you rather have them made out of American steel or Chinese steel?

    There are a lot of creative solutions. We have a school here in town, just one, that has single entry double locked doors with bulletproof glass. You walk in one door where you are met by one of the two campus policemen. You are checked by him, your bag too I believe, and he opens the door into the office/entryway via a keypad. If a shooter were to come in and manage to take him out, they still won't be able to gain entry to the school itself, or won't without some great great difficulty and an extended amount of time which would allow for responders to arrive. This is the newest school in town though and retrofitting this type of entrance on established school buildings will be tough and expensive.

    These good ideas though should be encouraged. They also shouldn't be thought of as a cure and the only angle to address the problem from.
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    My sister has been a teacher for over 20 years. Within the last two weeks her building was locked down and then evacuated when a suspicious package was found down the hall from her room. A student noticed it, thought something was wrong about it, and then picked it up and brought it to the office. Bomb squad had to be called and it was an explosive. It wasn't huge but the said it would've been able to take the arm off of anyone who handled it wrongly. The kid is in her class and she has a good relationship with him. She told him that from now on it's "see something, say something" and not "see something, pick it up and walk around with it, say something".

    They had a school assembly to instruct kids on what specifically to do about suspicious packages.

    She also said that for the first time in her career, again over 20 years, she now teaches with her door locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    My sister has been a teacher for over 20 years. Within the last two weeks her building was locked down and then evacuated when a suspicious package was found down the hall from her room. A student noticed it, thought something was wrong about it, and then picked it up and brought it to the office. Bomb squad had to be called and it was an explosive. It wasn't huge but the said it would've been able to take the arm off of anyone who handled it wrongly. The kid is in her class and she has a good relationship with him. She told him that from now on it's "see something, say something" and not "see something, pick it up and walk around with it, say something".

    They had a school assembly to instruct kids on what specifically to do about suspicious packages.

    She also said that for the first time in her career, again over 20 years, she now teaches with her door locked.
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    What do they do about the cooties?!

    But seriously, this is a good thing, and I guess we need them in every church and movie theater and grocery store... "panic rooms."

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    Here's the big difference, these shelters in the schools, locking down the schools, arming of our teachers... These things will save lives if an attack happens tomorrow. Gun bans, enhanced background checks? Maybe they'll save lives in a couple decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post


    What do they do about the cooties?!

    But seriously, this is a good thing, and I guess we need them in every church and movie theater and grocery store... "panic rooms."
    Churches and theaters are places where people choose to go. Students in schools do not have an options. Places like churches and theaters can opt to have armed guards, if they wish. They can allow visitors to carry weapons for self protection. Schools are government buildings with all those rules and restrictions. If an active shooter situation happens at a school like this one, these rooms will save lives. Not all the lives, because there will be those first casualties that cause the alarm, but save lives, none-the-less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Here's the big difference, these shelters in the schools, locking down the schools, arming of our teachers... These things will save lives if an attack happens tomorrow. Gun bans, enhanced background checks? Maybe they'll save lives in a couple decades.
    But you cant possibye "harden" the entire country, parks, playgrounds, theaters, shopping malls, wherever people congregate, they become targets for mass shooters, none of these "arming the teachers" type of solutions does one damn thing to stop the basic situation, easy access to military grade weaponry for anybody and everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Churches and theaters are places where people choose to go. Students in schools do not have an options. Places like churches and theaters can opt to have armed guards, if they wish. They can allow visitors to carry weapons for self protection. Schools are government buildings with all those rules and restrictions. If an active shooter situation happens at a school like this one, these rooms will save lives. Not all the lives, because there will be those first casualties that cause the alarm, but save lives, none-the-less.
    How many first graders do you think is a fair amount of "trigger-kids" per school shooting ?

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