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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I don't have anything against illegals, I don't. I know quite a few and they have confided in me that they were here illegally. I don't go around making assumptions about people, I don't call people I know or meet "illegals." I don't call them anything. They are people.

    If I'm discussing illegal alians online, I will possibly refer to them as "illegals."

    Hope this helps.
    quite. So, you won't call anyone an "illegal" to their face. You'll just do it behind their backs online.
    That about right?

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    who decides when a person is an "illegal"?

    JTF and SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    seen the offensive term "illegals" used a lot. But, it seems to forgot that in American everyone is presume innocent of a crime until a court of law says otherwise. So, the most logical place to begin was in immigration law. What better place to look than the highest court in the land?

    https://www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/opini...al-immigrants/

    I could not find the actual word "illegals" anywhere in the law. However, it's found in some online dictionaries.

    Illegals dictionary definition | illegals defined

    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Illegals

    However, once again, these definitions ignore the the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. And, as stated by the highest court in the land, the deportation process is a civil process. Starting to feel a bit like a Zen Riddle?
    In laymen's terms, conservatives use this chart as a guide.....


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    quite. So, you won't call anyone an "illegal" to their face. You'll just do it behind their backs online.
    That about right?
    I would not necessarily attempt to qualify any particular person as an "illegal" in the absence of any evidence. I am speaking specifically about people I know to be illegals If i'm talking about an issue; Then, only if I believe that to be pertinent to said issue and not for purposes of using it as an 'insult." If i'm talking to someone on the street, I would no more use the term "illegal" than I would call someone a Jew, black, Latino, etc,. I avoid that sort of language all together out of politeness, not cowardice.

    I noticed that you have a HUGE problem with saying that someone is an illegal, but no such ill feeling about labeling me a coward....interesting.

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    Once again, Watchmen is bent out of shape over a very insignificant non-issue instead of using his well educated liberal brain to actually talk about something important.....like the failed war on drugs that is used to control the poor and.....that's right, minorities. Nope, we have to quibble over boo-boo-hurt feelings and other decidedly pitiful attempts at denigrating non-minorities and creating even more animosity and racial divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I would not necessarily attempt to qualify any particular person as an "illegal" in the absence of any evidence. I am speaking specifically about people I know to be illegals If i'm talking about an issue; Then, only if I believe that to be pertinent to said issue and not for purposes of using it as an 'insult." If i'm talking to someone on the street, I would no more use the term "illegal" than I would call someone a Jew, black, Latino, etc,. I avoid that sort of language all together out of politeness, not cowardice.

    I noticed that you have a HUGE problem with saying that someone is an illegal, but no such ill feeling about labeling me a coward....interesting.
    what difference does it make if you're talking to someone in the street or using the term online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Once again, Watchmen is bent out of shape over a very insignificant non-issue instead of using his well educated liberal brain to actually talk about something important.....like the failed war on drugs that is used to control the poor and.....that's right, minorities. Nope, we have to quibble over boo-boo-hurt feelings and other decidedly pitiful attempts at denigrating non-minorities and creating even more animosity and racial divide.
    who's "Watchmen"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    they don't call anyone "illegals" regardless of their status.
    The term "illegal alien" is used three times in the Syllabus of the Opinion alone. In any case, nothing I wrote contradicts the Opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The term "illegal alien" is used three times in the Syllabus of the Opinion alone. In any case, nothing I wrote contradicts the Opinion.
    referring to other cases? Be that as it may, you claimed that the term "illegals" is a suitable shortcut. That's not consistent with anything the SCOTUS has said. In fact, it's clear they went out of their way to use less divisive terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    referring to other cases? Be that as it may, you claimed that the term "illegals" is a suitable shortcut. That's not consistent with anything the SCOTUS has said.
    It is a suitable shortcut, which has nothing to do with anything the Court wrote.

    I have no idea what you are objecting to in this thread.
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