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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Identity theft is illegal. Not reporting income earned in the United States is illegal.
    True, however that does not describe all persons living and working in the us without permission.

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    No one 'decides' who is an 'illegal', it is a point of law. If one enters a country illegally or overstays an entry visa, one becomes an 'illegal alien'. 'Illegal' is merely a colloquialism based upon the aforementioned term.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_v._United_States

    Full case: Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387 (2012)

    The "presumption of innocence" is a terminology that applies to the criminal law, not civil or administrative law. If the issue is truly one that is not criminal in nature, then that is not the terminology we would use, and it is not used in the Supreme Court's opinion.

    In any case, we can discuss the concept of "illegal immigration" (or "illegals" as a reasonable shorthand) without referring to specific individuals, at least until the individual in question has been established to have been here illegally (or "undocumented," if you prefer); and a person can be here illegally, and established as such, whether or not deportation is an issue in his or her particular case.
    So if someone who's here illegally is deported, does the state get to seize their property?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    So if someone who's here illegally is deported, does the state get to seize their property?
    Context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    No one 'decides' who is an 'illegal', it is a point of law. If one enters a country illegally or overstays an entry visa, one becomes an 'illegal alien'. 'Illegal' is merely a colloquialism based upon the aforementioned term.
    except, we both know that the average joe has no way of knowing what a persons legal status is. And the term "illegals" is used quite liberally as a slur against immigrants. Especially, if they come from south of our US border. I'm still trying to find the term "illegal alien" in immigration law. What I do know is we have at least one, maybe two, Supreme Court Justices who don't seem to think it's helpful terminology. And it's considered a slur among most immigrant rights organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    except, we both know that the average joe has no way of knowing what a persons legal status is. And the term "illegals" is used quite liberally as a slur against immigrants. Especially, if they come from south of our US border. I'm still trying to find the term "illegal alien" in immigration law. What I do know is we have at least one, maybe two, Supreme Court Justices who don't seem to think it's helpful terminology. And it's considered a slur among most immigrant rights organizations.
    Well, if one employs the term incorrectly, then yes, I can understand the opposition, but in reality, it is fairly neutral. If it is employed as a false generalisation, then such should be exposed at the first opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Well, if one employs the term incorrectly, then yes, I can understand the opposition, but in reality, it is fairly neutral. If it is employed as a false generalisation, then such should be exposed at the first opportunity.
    and again, most people have no idea whether they're employing the terms correctly. What ever that's suppose to mean? Either way, people, themselves can't be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    except, we both know that the average joe has no way of knowing what a persons legal status is. And the term "illegals" is used quite liberally as a slur against immigrants. Especially, if they come from south of our US border. I'm still trying to find the term "illegal alien" in immigration law. What I do know is we have at least one, maybe two, Supreme Court Justices who don't seem to think it's helpful terminology. And it's considered a slur among most immigrant rights organizations.
    Isn't helpful terminology for whom?

    The illegals?

    The extremist expose themselves again ......

    This is precisely why I use "non-helpful" terminology when referring to criminals.

    I am not interested in helping them to continue being criminals.

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    Don't feel like reading the whole thread, have we figured out that it illegal refers to the term illegal alien? Not that the person is illegal, or I suppose not legally human?
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