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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Here are the actual numbers in context of how far homicides have dropped as gun ownership has increased:

    1993 24,526
    2006 17,309
    2011 12,795
    2012 12,888
    2013 12,253
    2014 12,270
    2015 13,455

    These are total numbers, not gun homicides. In 2015, gun homicides were 9,616, not the 13,515 in your numbers.

    USA and statistics is a problem on its own. The reliable source I used was https://de.statista.com/statistik/da...en-in-den-usa/ .

    So you tell me now in 2015 the correct value is 13,455 and not 13,515. This changes nothing in anything what I said.


    The numbers do not calculate for population growth, which would make the drop even more significant.

    Also the increase in 2015 was caused by the Ferguson Effect, not guns, and cannot be extrapolated out.
    Ferguson effect? Effects kill people?

    I would just simple say the NRA is a criminal organization. If the weapons producers, dealers and owners had to pay for all the suffering their wrong politics had meanwhile caused in the USA, then they all would be bankrupt since a very long time of history now. What about a very very high tax for all weapons and very very strict rules for gun owners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    Before the gun-nuts complain, I did not create the title.

    The capital of America's gun industry hates guns
    They come up to NH to buy them. Floods of them cross the border to buy them. Whats really interesting is many of Mass gun clubs have high power AR leagues but they cant buy them there. Where do they think they come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    USA and statistics is a problem on its own. The reliable source I used was https://de.statista.com/statistik/da...en-in-den-usa/ .

    So you tell me now in 2015 the correct value is 13,455 and not 13,515. This changes nothing in anything what I said.




    Ferguson effect? Effects kill people?

    I would just simple say the NRA is a criminal organization. If the weapons producers, dealers and owners had to pay for all the suffering their wrong politics had meanwhile caused in the USA, then they all would be bankrupt since a very long time of history now. What about a very very high tax for all weapons and very very strict rules for gun owners?

    I use the FBI crime data. It changes everything as you used the total for all homicides as firearm homicides.

    If you want to call the NRA a criminal organization, who would the Drafters and Ratifiers of the Second Amendment call a criminal organization, the NRA who is defending the Second Amendment they created, or anti-gun liberals wanting to dismantle the Second Amendment they created?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    Killed with firearms in the USA:

    2014: 12,556
    2015: 13,515
    2016: 15,094
    2017: 15,990

    So between 2014 and 2015 grew the death-rate 6.2% every year. That's about 35% in 5 years.

    Calculation:

    2015: 13,515
    2020: 18,283
    2025: 24,734
    2030: 33,462
    2035: 45,269
    2040: 61,241
    2045: 82,250
    2050: more than 100,000

    How old will you or your [grand-]children be in 2050? And what will you say in the year 2050 about the idiot who you are today?

    What a luck, that the USA imports no steel any longer - so you have a chance not to have enough steel for bullets in 2050 ... or will you make then a ban on imports of bulletproof clean Kevlar vests? :lol:

    How many were suicides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    Killed with firearms in the USA:

    2014: 12,556
    2015: 13,515
    2016: 15,094
    2017: 15,990

    So between 2014 and 2015 grew the death-rate 6.2% every year. That's about 35% in 5 years.

    Calculation:

    2015: 13,515
    2020: 18,283
    2025: 24,734
    2030: 33,462
    2035: 45,269
    2040: 61,241
    2045: 82,250
    2050: more than 100,000

    How old will you or your [grand-]children be in 2050? And what will you say in the year 2050 about the idiot who you are today?

    What a luck, that the USA imports no steel any longer - so you have a chance not to have enough steel for bullets in 2050 ... or will you make then a ban on imports of bulletproof clean Kevlar vests? :lol:

    How do you feel about physician assisted suicide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    USA and statistics is a problem on its own. The reliable source I used was https://de.statista.com/statistik/da...en-in-den-usa/ .

    So you tell me now in 2015 the correct value is 13,455 and not 13,515. This changes nothing in anything what I said.




    Ferguson effect? Effects kill people?

    I would just simple say the NRA is a criminal organization. If the weapons producers, dealers and owners had to pay for all the suffering their wrong politics had meanwhile caused in the USA, then they all would be bankrupt since a very long time of history now. What about a very very high tax for all weapons and very very strict rules for gun owners?

    Then you say some crazy shit. I would call it a lie but I don't expect you to know anything about America or the National Rifle Association other than the lies you've read or heard, so it's not on you. Your lack of acquaintance with the facts is forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Number of people killed by rifle in 2015 (latest year available): 252
    You make it sound like 252 people are inconsequential. That is 252 families ripped apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    You make it sound like 252 people are inconsequential. That is 252 families ripped apart.
    And 1567 families ripped apart by knives. You want to ban knives too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    And 1567 families ripped apart by knives. You want to ban knives too?
    Knives serve other purposes other than to just kill people

    And the chances of surviving a knife attack is much higher than a one with a gun

    An AR-15 literally tears up the inside of your body, a knife, not so much.

    Also according data, over 10,000 a year die by guns

    Knives, 1064

    So not even close, but yeah, I'm used to this lame talking point being used over and over again


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

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    Also knives don't do this

    ERMANTOWN, TN (WMC) -
    A man has been charged after a gun went off inside a Germantown health clinic Monday morning.

    The incident happened at a clinic on Wolf Park Drive around 10:45 a.m.

    Officers said 52-year-old Christopher Tucker brought the gun inside the clinic, where he was being seen, and it fell out of his holster. The gun fell to the floor and a bullet fired out of its chamber.

    A bullet from the Cobra .38 Derringer went through a wall into another patient's room.

    Man charged after gun accidentally goes off inside Germantown he - WMC Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee

    Or this:

    Oroville >> A man facing manslaughter charges allegedly unintentionally shot and killed his longtime friend during a night of partying and joyriding around Oroville on Sunday, prosecutors said.

    Noah Gonzales, 25, of Oroville was charged Wednesday in Butte County Superior Court with a felony count of involuntary manslaughter in the Sunday shooting death of 22-year-old Adam Krater.

    Gonzales also faces an added allegation he used a handgun in the commission of a crime

    DA: Man unintentionally shot, killed friend during Oroville joyride

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