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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    There are guns for hunting, self-defense, deterrent, sport, competition, collecting, etc.]
    'Design' was the key word in my statement. Your examples are tautological in five cases, and only collecting being by choice not by issue (unless some company produces limited editions for collectors which is a modern desire, and even that could be merely to amass an arsenal with intent). 'Self-defence, deterrent and hunting' are all using killing as either a threat or reality, while sport and competition are one and the same with hunting (killing for 'sport', or as some claim, food) crossing over into this category. The use of weapons in sport was intended to train for hunting or warfare so we go back to point No. 1, killing.

    Car ownership and usage is privilege and under a state's purview. Being armed is a right and not under the federal government's purview according to the Constitution.
    Immaterial to my point. Re-read my post for clarity. Furthermore, being a right under an anachronistic document means absolutely nothing in real terms to anyone outside of said jurisdiction. Even then, the qualifying clause for said right is ignored (therefore arbitrary, hence the aforementioned anachronism).

    Personally, I find the claim absurd, for it is the primary excuse for many in the US to do nothing to curb the outrageous levels of gun violence and for big boys and girls to hang on to their toys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    'Design' was the key word in my statement. Your examples are tautological in five cases, and only collecting being by choice not by issue (unless some company produces limited editions for collectors which is a modern desire, and even that could be merely to amass an arsenal with intent). 'Self-defence, deterrent and hunting' are all using killing as either a threat or reality, while sport and competition are one and the same with hunting (killing for 'sport', or as some claim, food) crossing over into this category. The use of weapons in sport was intended to train for hunting or warfare so we go back to point No. 1, killing.


    Immaterial to my point. Re-read my post for clarity. Furthermore, being a right under an anachronistic document means absolutely nothing in real terms to anyone outside of said jurisdiction. Even then, the qualifying clause for said right is ignored (therefore arbitrary, hence the aforementioned anachronism).

    Personally, I find the claim absurd, for it is the primary excuse for many in the US to do nothing to curb the outrageous levels of gun violence and for big boys and girls to hang on to their toys.
    There is nothing tautological about my post. There is no overlap.

    Automobiles are used in crime and wars. The Automotive Council for War Production in April 1942 specifically made automobile and vehicles for war and to facilitate killing or directly kill.

    Your assessment of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment, and the Constitution is shared by a special group of people and the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment, and the Constitution were created to protect the country from a special group of people. In the long run, the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment, and the Constitution will prevail against a special group of people. Thousands of years of history dictate that happening. That is why the Queen is not on our money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    An AR-15 does not "literally tears a person apart from the inside."
    According to you know, actual medical professionals, it does

    Compare the damage an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun can do to the human body: “One looks like a grenade went off in there,” says Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona. “The other looks like a bad knife cut.”

    The AR-15 is America’s most popular rifle. It has also been the weapon of choice in mass shootings from Sandy Hook to Aurora to San Bernardino. In Orlando this past week, the shooter used a Sig Sauer MCX, an AR-15 style rifle originally developed for special ops, to kill 49 people in the Pulse nightclub. The carnage sparked new calls to reinstate a ban on assault rifles like the AR-15, which were designed as weapons of war.

    The bullet from an AR-15 does an entirely different kind of violence to the human body. It’s relatively small, but it leaves the muzzle at three times the speed of a handgun bullet. It has so much energy that it can disintegrate three inches of leg bone. “It would just turn it to dust,” says Donald Jenkins, a trauma surgeon at University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. If it hits the liver, “the liver looks like a jello mold that’s been dropped on the floor.” And the exit wound can be a nasty, jagged hole the size of an orange.

    These high-velocity bullets can damage flesh inches away from their path, either because they fragment or because they cause something called cavitation. When you trail your fingers through water, the water ripples and curls. When a high-velocity bullet pierces the body, human tissues ripples as well—but much more violently. The bullet from an AR-15 might miss the femoral artery in the leg, but cavitation may burst the artery anyway, causing death by blood loss. A swath of stretched and torn tissue around the wound may die. That’s why, says Rhee, a handgun wound might require only one surgery but an AR-15 bullet wound might require three to ten.

    https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

    So tell me again what is the purpose of the AR-15 other than to kill multiple people in one shooting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    There are guns for hunting, self-defense, deterrent, sport, competition, collecting, etc.

    Car ownership and usage is privilege and under a state's purview. Being armed is a right and not under the federal government's purview according to the Constitution.
    I agree.

    We should start treating guns like cars.

    Extensive training, have to take test, have insurance, etc.

    That would not be "infringing" on anyone's right to have a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    According to you know, actual medical professionals, it does

    Compare the damage an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun can do to the human body: “One looks like a grenade went off in there,” says Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona. “The other looks like a bad knife cut.”

    The AR-15 is America’s most popular rifle. It has also been the weapon of choice in mass shootings from Sandy Hook to Aurora to San Bernardino. In Orlando this past week, the shooter used a Sig Sauer MCX, an AR-15 style rifle originally developed for special ops, to kill 49 people in the Pulse nightclub. The carnage sparked new calls to reinstate a ban on assault rifles like the AR-15, which were designed as weapons of war.

    The bullet from an AR-15 does an entirely different kind of violence to the human body. It’s relatively small, but it leaves the muzzle at three times the speed of a handgun bullet. It has so much energy that it can disintegrate three inches of leg bone. “It would just turn it to dust,” says Donald Jenkins, a trauma surgeon at University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. If it hits the liver, “the liver looks like a jello mold that’s been dropped on the floor.” And the exit wound can be a nasty, jagged hole the size of an orange.

    These high-velocity bullets can damage flesh inches away from their path, either because they fragment or because they cause something called cavitation. When you trail your fingers through water, the water ripples and curls. When a high-velocity bullet pierces the body, human tissues ripples as well—but much more violently. The bullet from an AR-15 might miss the femoral artery in the leg, but cavitation may burst the artery anyway, causing death by blood loss. A swath of stretched and torn tissue around the wound may die. That’s why, says Rhee, a handgun wound might require only one surgery but an AR-15 bullet wound might require three to ten.

    https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

    So tell me again what is the purpose of the AR-15 other than to kill multiple people in one shooting?
    Your source knows nothing about guns, bullets, and ballistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I agree.

    We should start treating guns like cars.

    Extensive training, have to take test, have insurance, etc.

    That would not be "infringing" on anyone's right to have a gun.
    Are you agreeing that the federal government should have no power over a state's gun laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Your source knows nothing about guns, bullets, and ballistics.
    Oh ok

    Doctors don't know anything about the damage the see every day in the trauma centers

    #idiotic

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Oh ok

    Doctors don't know anything about the damage the see every day in the trauma centers

    #idiotic
    Did the doctor mention the calibers, bullet grains, bullet types, powder, and ballistics of what they saw I]vis-a-vis[/I] other guns?

    Do they teach ballistics in medical school?

    Should a gunsmith be allowed to perform open heart surgery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    You can't read a simple graph?

    From your own link (which is outdated btw)

    Deaths from Total Firearms - 8,124

    Death from Knives - 1,567

    I only brought up the AR-15 because it literally tears up a person from the inside

    Knives do not do that.
    Uh, no. Bullets punch holes. Knives cut, rip and tear. You know nothing but the propaganda you've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Oh ok

    Doctors don't know anything about the damage the see every day in the trauma centers

    #idiotic
    The doctors you've learned from apparently don't know shit about guns. The AR-15 imparts no special evil magic to the .223 round it fires. Many other guns fire the same round with the same effects, but they aren't as popular and so haven't been targeted for banning. Interesting fact: the .223 round isn't very powerful as rifle rounds go. Any deer rifle is more powerful. But .223 is ideal for shooting gophers, and can be used for hunting deer sized game too, but larger more powerful calibers are more suited. What an AR-15 or other .223 rifle is really good at though, besides sporting use, is self defense. Which you apparently don't believe in. Don't compare pistol rounds to rifle rounds; it makes you seem ignorant.

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