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    The capital of America's gun industry hates guns

    Before the gun-nuts complain, I did not create the title.

    The capital of America's gun industry hates guns

    To understand America’s great gun divide, visit Springfield, Massachusetts, birthplace of the $17 billion-a-year U.S. firearms industry.

    In a head-spinning contradiction, famously liberal Massachusetts -- with among the strictest gun-control laws and the lowest shooting-death rate -- is the king of guns. By the latest federal tally, Massachusetts accounted for a quarter of the 11.9 million made each year, more than any other state, according to Small Arms Analytics, an industry research firm.

    Springfield is the unofficial capital of “Gun Valley,” the chain of factories and suppliers that extends from Smith & Wesson and Savage Arms in Western Massachusetts to Sturm Ruger & Co. and Colt in Connecticut.

    Along with its snub-nosed revolvers and 9 mm pistols, Springfield-based Smith & Wesson makes the popular AR-15-style assault rifles -- including the very weapon used to murder 17 students and teachers at Parkland, Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

    But residents can’t walk into a local gun shop and buy the latest Smith & Wesson’s M&P15 “modern sporting rifle,’’ as the company prefers to call it. By and large, Springfield’s own elected officials favor those restrictions, and even the town’s economic boosters like to deemphasize an export that contributes to 13,000 homicides a year in the U.S.

    “The contradiction is striking,” said John Rosenthal, a gun owner and founder of Stop Handgun Violence in Massachusetts. “We couldn’t be more proud of the results of our gun laws, and we couldn’t be more embarrassed that Massachusetts gun makers are wreaking havoc across the nation.”

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    But residents can’t walk into a local gun shop and buy the latest Smith & Wesson’s M&P15 “modern sporting rifle,’’ as the company prefers to call it. By and large, Springfield’s own elected officials favor those restrictions, and even the town’s economic boosters like to deemphasize an export that contributes to 13,000 homicides a year in the U.S.
    Number of people killed by rifle in 2015 (latest year available): 252
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Number of people killed by rifle in 2015 (latest year available): 252
    Even less were killed with hand grenades, they must really be harmless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Even less were killed with hand grenades, they must really be harmless.
    Are 252 and 13000 the same number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Number of people killed by rifle in 2015 (latest year available): 252

    There were 362 homicides with shotguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Even less were killed with hand grenades, they must really be harmless.
    No one is threatening my right to own a grenade.

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    In 2014 only 248 murders were committed by rifle (obviously including scary AR-15s among all others), but 1567 by knife, and 660 by "hands, fists, feet". Let's ban "hands, fists, feet" and knives.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2010-2014.xls

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    Killed with firearms in the USA:

    2014: 12,556
    2015: 13,515
    2016: 15,094
    2017: 15,990

    So between 2014 and 2015 grew the death-rate 6.2% every year. That's about 35% in 5 years.

    Calculation:

    2015: 13,515
    2020: 18,283
    2025: 24,734
    2030: 33,462
    2035: 45,269
    2040: 61,241
    2045: 82,250
    2050: more than 100,000

    How old will you or your [grand-]children be in 2050? And what will you say in the year 2050 about the idiot who you are today?

    What a luck, that the USA imports no steel any longer - so you have a chance not to have enough steel for bullets in 2050 ... or will you make then a ban on imports of bulletproof clean Kevlar vests? :lol:

    Last edited by zaangalewa; 11th March 2018 at 12:32 AM.

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    You can technically own a grenade, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    Killed with firearms in the USA:

    2014: 12,556
    2015: 13,515
    2016: 15,094
    2017: 15,990

    So between 2014 and 2015 grew the death-rate 6.2% every year. That's about 35% in 5 years.

    Calculation:

    2015: 13,515
    2020: 18,283
    2025: 24,734
    2030: 33,462
    2035: 45,269
    2040: 61,241
    2045: 82,250
    2050: more than 100,000

    How old will you or your [grand-]children be in 2050? And what will you say in the year 2050 about the idiot who you are today?

    What a luck, that the USA imports no steel any longer - so you have a chance not to have enough steel for bullets in 2050 ... or will you make then a ban on imports of bulletproof clean Kevlar vests? :lol:

    Here are the actual numbers in context of how far homicides have dropped as gun ownership has increased:

    1993 24,526
    2006 17,309
    2011 12,795
    2012 12,888
    2013 12,253
    2014 12,270
    2015 13,455

    These are total numbers, not gun homicides. In 2015, gun homicides were 9,616, not the 13,515 in your numbers. The numbers do not calculate for population growth, which would make the drop even more significant.

    Also the increase in 2015 was caused by the Ferguson Effect, not guns, and cannot be extrapolated out.
    Last edited by Tennyson; 11th March 2018 at 06:48 AM.

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