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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    So is pandering to racists for personal benefit a lesser sin than being a racist?<shrug>
    Bad thoughts should not inspire shame or condemnation. We all have them.

    Bad ACTS we can get all judge about, including the act of promoting racism online.

    Whether one act is more (objectively?) blameworthy than the next is unknowable, without context.

    Did you see "Body Double"? An ordinary man becomes a voyeur, then a stalker, then a murder suspect.

    Which was the most blameworthy act? How can anyone answer that, except by applying their own judgment, life experience, etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    I think Mel Gibson, like many people, sees race before the person. With Whoopi Goldberg he got to know the person so she didn’t sense any racism. That’s not surprising. Jody Foster was another person that came to Gibson’s defence saying he was not a bad guy and it was the alcohol talking. She said she worked with him and knows him personally and he never has treated anyone disrespectfully. Maybe so but again I think she came into Gibson life not as a girl or woman but someone already established.


    With Bill Cosby, I know it was hard for me to reconcile seeing him over the last 50 years as a good guy to come to grips with the fact he was not. I don’t know Cosby personally but if it was hard for me to see him as a rapist I can certainly understand how hard it was for someone that did. There was nothing in Cosby’s public persona that even hinted he could be such a heartless sexual predator. If that same persona carried into his private relationships with people like Whoopi then they cant reconcile their understanding of him with what his accusers are reporting. That’s all well and good but eventually even those closest to these people have to see them for what they are.

    At least in Gibson’s case he has tried to make amends and apologized for his behavior. Cosby still insists his sexual acts on all those women were consensual. He hasn’t even apologized to his wife and daughters for completely embarrassing them and at least taken responsibility for that.
    Excellent post. My own reactions are different, because you and I have had different life experiences.

    So, in choosing whether to condemn anyone for their aid and comfort to a racist, I am (almost) always hesitant, because I can't really know WHY anyone else does anything.

    The archtypical people who assisted racists are nonJews adults living in Germany, before and during WWII.

    I do judge them, but not as harshly as I did as a college student. Evil that permeates society is so diffuse, the bystander can usually justify an apathetic do-nothing response.

    But some German people were no doubt in shock. Others did not know what to do. Yet more were determined their own children would survive, no matter what.

    I doubt many ordinary German people of that actually wanted any Jews harmed.

    Maybe that's overly optimistic, but clearly, fewer than all Germans knew and applauded the Final Solution.

    Not EVERY single person who attentied a lynching down south during Jim Crow was EXACTLY as guilty as any of them.

    In a mob committing violence, no matter how savage, a few are the most savage. Some others just can't be bothered to try to work out whether these murders are justified. And a few are really, really enjoying committing acts of psychopathic brutality.

    Legally every mob member is as guilty as any other. That's the jurisprudence of conspiracy.

    Morally, only you can decide. Were the Jewish refugees who refused to go back to Turkey and were willing to fie oc hunger to be allowed to enter Israel, saints or sinners?

    I know how I view them, but of course, my opinion might be different if refugee children had actually died of starvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    You could ask the legions of left wing regressives who defend and revere the racist Che Guevera.

    They deny being racist bigots even though he was one.

    Are they lying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    When someone defends their grandparents, who in addition to being hardworking and other good things also happened to be bigots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I don't think so. In fact, I think it is worse.
    It depends.

    How can anyone claim to have an unshakeable opinion without knowing A LOT more about the person who tries to "stay out of it", when "it" trips their instincts to run away and hide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soupnazi View Post
    You could ask the legions of left wing regressives who defend and revere the racist Che Guevera.

    They deny being racist bigots even though he was one.

    Are they lying?

    But he was a Communist, and for the people!

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    Anyone being condemned or to be harmed for their ignorance via raising or personal views should be defended as a human being, first.

    Anyone who has ignorant views but is willing to open their minds through social interaction and/or education should be defended.

    What they say shouldn't be defended.

    I think I'd like to understand the intended opposite meaning of the word "defend" because that is what isn't being talked about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    But he was a Communist, and for the people!
    Yes he was which is why he mass murdered thousands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    the entire premise is flawed. first, we need to define what "defend" entails. If i defend someone from being killed and that person is a racist, it would not make me a racist. if someone were to call a racist a child raper, when the racist wasn't, would defending the racist from an untrue accusation make him a racist? What if the person being accused was NOT a racist? Would defending someone from a false accusation make him one as well?

    In short:

    1 The person being accused would actually have to be a racist.

    2 i would have to defend the racist comment, knowing that it was indeed, racist and not the person or some unrelated comment.

    3 I can defend a persons right to hold an opinion (even racist views), without actually sharing said opinion

    4 even if a person once used a racial epithet or once held racist views, it doesn't mean that they are a racist now.

    5 no one can really look inside someone to know if they are indeed a racist.
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