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    Is Anyone Who Defends a Racist Bigot a Racist Bigot?

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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    I think the word 'defend' means ...of their own volition.

    Donald Trump defends racists, bigots, misogynists and pedophiles not in his position as President of the United States of America, but as Donald J Trump, creep, and of his own volition.

    I defend the KKK's right to free speech and assembly. I do not defend or support their ideology, politics or religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    That's assuming you both agree that said person being defended is a racist/ bigot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    That's assuming you both agree that said person being defended is a racist/ bigot.
    Why would it take both to agree the defended racist bigot is a racist bigot?

    In fact, it seems to me that one of the two would be correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    When Mel Gibson's vitriolic, racist rant towards his then-girlfriend hit the air, his old friends ran away like he was radioactive.

    Except for Whoopi Goldberg.

    She said, on the air the very next day, that she had worked closely with Gibson, over long periods of time, and she believed she would have detected the black heart of racism, if indeed he had one. She said Gibson was foolish and immature for what he said, but not racist.

    Whoopi reminded us, we ALL say things we don't mean when we lose our shit, and that Gibson's girlfriend had OBVIOUSLY set him up, as she taped him without his knowledge.

    That was the ADULT response, IMO. Whoopi is a heroine to me, partially for her loyalty and courage -- and her strength to speak truth to power. Public reaction to the tape of Gibson's rant was so extreme, you'd have thought he had murdered a boatload of babies.

    If I love you, I'm not going to run away as soon as you get into trouble, even trouble of your own making.

    Nope. You can shoot a classroom full of kindergarteners, and I will visit you in prison. Put dough in your commissary account. Write to you.

    I was, if course, disgusted by Gibson's private racist diatribes. I never want to see him onscreen, ever again.

    But Whoopi is a heroine to me for what she did. And she also stood up for Bill Cosby.

    That was very dangerous for her. More than one Hollywood star has lost her career and been broken, in retaliation for defending the "wrong" friend. Lots of tragedies like this during the McCarthy era.

    People are not cartoon characters. NONE of us who are white are 100% innocent of the sin of racism, including ME.

    But my loved ones love me, warts and all. If you don't do your beloveds likewise, is that REALLY love?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
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    I think it depends on context. For example, if a lawyer is representing a racist bigot in court, I don't think it would automatically make the lawyer a racist bigot.

    Can anyone find other examples?
    yyou need to set a higher bar for yourself. Calling a person on this site a racist is a no-no. it's against the rul3s. you did it in another thread and now you're upset becausE you got spanked. If you're going to suggest thaT trump is a racist, fine. but back it up with facts, otherwise, you're just stiRring the pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    yyou need to set a higher bar for yourself. Calling a person on this site a racist is a no-no. it's against the rul3s. you did it in another thread and now you're upset becausE you got spanked. If you're going to suggest thaT trump is a racist, fine. but back it up with facts, otherwise, you're just stiRring the pot.
    Whether anyone is racist is unknowable, unprovable. Was Hitler actually antisemitic? Or did he demonize Jews because that tactic allowed him to rise to the pinnacle of power, as a fascist?

    Or was it both?

    We can't know another person's heart or mind. Most of us would do well to know our own.

    We can observe, prove, judge BEHAVIOR as racist. We can judge government acts to be racist. Etc.

    Is Trump racist? Probably not. To assign an array of values to humans, some would have to have a value above zero.

    I really do think Trump's consciousness is so warped, he views US ALL as ants in his ant colony.

    But either way, he plays a racist at every opportunity, to dogwhistle his most fucked up fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whether anyone is racist is unknowable, unprovable. Was Hitler actually antisemitic? Or did he demonize Jews because that tactic allowed him to rise to the pinnacle of power, as a fascist?

    Or was it both?

    We can't know another person's heart or mind. Most of us would do well to know our own.

    We can observe, prove, judge BEHAVIOR as racist. We can judge government acts to be racist. Etc.

    Is Trump racist? Probably not. To assign an array of value to humans, some have to have a value above zero.

    I really do think Trump's consciousness is so warped, he views US ALL as ants in his any colony.

    But either way, he plays a racist at every opportunity, to dog whistle his most fucked up fans.
    So is pandering to racists for personal benefit a lesser sin than being a racist?<shrug>

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    I think Mel Gibson, like many people, sees race before the person. With Whoopi Goldberg he got to know the person so she didn’t sense any racism. That’s not surprising. Jody Foster was another person that came to Gibson’s defence saying he was not a bad guy and it was the alcohol talking. She said she worked with him and knows him personally and he never has treated anyone disrespectfully. Maybe so but again I think she came into Gibson life not as a girl or woman but someone already established.


    With Bill Cosby, I know it was hard for me to reconcile seeing him over the last 50 years as a good guy to come to grips with the fact he was not. I don’t know Cosby personally but if it was hard for me to see him as a rapist I can certainly understand how hard it was for someone that did. There was nothing in Cosby’s public persona that even hinted he could be such a heartless sexual predator. If that same persona carried into his private relationships with people like Whoopi then they cant reconcile their understanding of him with what his accusers are reporting. That’s all well and good but eventually even those closest to these people have to see them for what they are.

    At least in Gibson’s case he has tried to make amends and apologized for his behavior. Cosby still insists his sexual acts on all those women were consensual. He hasn’t even apologized to his wife and daughters for completely embarrassing them and at least taken responsibility for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    So is pandering to racists for personal benefit a lesser sin than being a racist?<shrug>
    I don't think so. In fact, I think it is worse.
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