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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about

    Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute. Private companies house nearly half of the nation’s immigrant detainees, compared to about 25 percent a decade ago, a Huffington Post report found. In total, there are now about 130 private prisons in the country with about 157,000 beds.



    Why do we even have private prisons? Prisoners should properly be in the custody of the state, not some private entity with a profit motive. It seems like this might be one of the things contributing to our extremely high incarceration rate.
    Smaller states like Vermont heavily use private prisons because they dont have the money to run many of their own. Also when I lived there nobody wanted one anywhere near them so it was also NIMBY disguised as "dont ruin the landscape."

    "Vermont contracted with Corrections Corporation of America to house inmates in out-of-state private prisons beginning in the mid-1990s, and has continued the practice. About 500 prisoners are held outside the state of Vermont. These prisoners cost half as much as the prisoners in state because of the economies of scale in larger prisons, and because only healthy prisoners are exported."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermon...of_Corrections
    https://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...higan-prisons/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I would.

    I know your comment wasn't aimed at me. But still - dispensing with money would be a great societal achievement. At least IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about

    Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute. Private companies house nearly half of the nation’s immigrant detainees, compared to about 25 percent a decade ago, a Huffington Post report found. In total, there are now about 130 private prisons in the country with about 157,000 beds.



    Why do we even have private prisons? Prisoners should properly be in the custody of the state, not some private entity with a profit motive. It seems like this might be one of the things contributing to our extremely high incarceration rate.
    I have to say I have not see current statistics, but during the mid 1990s and mid first decade of the 2000s prisoners released from private correction facilities had a much lower rate of becoming repeat offenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You were a victim of propaganda. By the time three strikes laws were passed, violent crime had already returned to levels not seen since the 1970's.

    Fun fact! Who coined the term "superpredator"?
    In the seventies did we have the ability to determine and assess crimes by the types of forensics that we have now? The eras aren't even remotely similar.

    My so called official death by suicide cousin was able to pull off a mouth shot with a 30-30 that would be unofficially determined later to not be a suicide by today's standards. The county he died in didn't even have the resources for an official investigation much less the will to investigate it in the early eighties.
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    Has anyone mentioned that those private prisons often have contracts with their districts to have the prisons filled to a certain capacity at all times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    I have to say I have not see current statistics, but during the mid 1990s and mid first decade of the 2000s prisoners released from private correction facilities had a much lower rate of becoming repeat offenders.
    Maybe it's due to them getting essentially the medium security to honor farm inmates to begin with. I doubt they are taking too many Pelican Bay types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I would.

    I know your comment wasn't aimed at me. But still - dispensing with money would be a great societal achievement. At least IMHO.
    That is rather curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about

    Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute. Private companies house nearly half of the nation’s immigrant detainees, compared to about 25 percent a decade ago, a Huffington Post report found. In total, there are now about 130 private prisons in the country with about 157,000 beds.



    Why do we even have private prisons? Prisoners should properly be in the custody of the state, not some private entity with a profit motive. It seems like this might be one of the things contributing to our extremely high incarceration rate.
    Big oil spent $125 million last year, big pharma spent $279 million. How many millions did "the gun lobby" spend? Ten. $10 million. And that's not just NRA, which only spent $5 million, but the whole gun rights lobby. I just though a little accuracy was called for.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/in...ent.php?id=h04
    https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...e=2018&ind=E01
    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/in...ent.php?id=Q13
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I once read that Barbara Bush was invested in private prisons.
    Barbara Bush had no responsibility for the mass incarceration policies that the Clintons ran for office on and then enacted.

    I'm sure Barbara has her faults, but I love her. Some people are just warm, kind people, and she always impressed me as one such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I posted a thread about the re-enslavement for profit of Americans, primarily young men of color, since the Clintons first took up the presidency. Free on YouTube, EXTREMELY well-researched and sourced.

    Called "13th".
    It's also on NetFlix (I haven't watched yet, but it's on my list).
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