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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The 13th amendment does not apply to prisoners.
    Correct. The text, in pertinent part:

    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
    U.S. Const. amend. XIII, § 1

    This provides a motive to convict and imprison as many people as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Has anyone mentioned that those private prisons often have contracts with their districts to have the prisons filled to a certain capacity at all times?
    The OP article discusses that briefly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Big oil spent $125 million last year, big pharma spent $279 million. How many millions did "the gun lobby" spend? Ten. $10 million. And that's not just NRA, which only spent $5 million, but the whole gun rights lobby. I just though a little accuracy was called for.
    You are in the wrong thread for that. This thread has nothing to do with guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Correct. The text, in pertinent part:

    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
    U.S. Const. amend. XIII, § 1

    This provides a motive to convict and imprison as many people as possible.
    I'm talking about cruel and unusual punishment, does the prison have the right to withhold food if one doesn't comply?

    Can undo stress be put upon them?

    What's to stop them from just beating the hell out of you anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You are in the wrong thread for that. This thread has nothing to do with guns.
    You started the thread with a false premise- just setting the record straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    I'm talking about cruel and unusual punishment, does the prison have the right to withhold food if one doesn't comply?
    I would not think so, no.

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    Can undo stress be put upon them?
    That would be difficult to assess ... what counts as "undue stress"? There could be lots of court cases about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    What's to stop them from just beating the hell out of you anyway?
    I would imagine it happens a lot. Nothing stops them ... who would you report it to? This particular problem would not be limited to private prisons, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    You started the thread with a false premise- just setting the record straight.
    Your post still has nothing to do with the thread. Go post it somewhere it might be relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Because people will put up with it.

    Hey, "as long as it's not ME!"

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    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out,

    Because I was not a Socialist."

    Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about

    Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute. Private companies house nearly half of the nation’s immigrant detainees, compared to about 25 percent a decade ago, a Huffington Post report found. In total, there are now about 130 private prisons in the country with about 157,000 beds.



    Why do we even have private prisons? Prisoners should properly be in the custody of the state, not some private entity with a profit motive. It seems like this might be one of the things contributing to our extremely high incarceration rate.
    I think the U.S. Congress and/or some other federal institution banned federal contracts with private prisons a while ago. But private prisons can still contract with county, municipal and state governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    I think the U.S. Congress and/or some other federal institution banned federal contracts with private prisons a while ago. But private prisons can still contract with county, municipal and state governments.
    The miseries these prisons inflict on EVERYONE beggar belief. Typically built in semi-rural areas, experiencing entrenched poverty, local young adults are recruited to become gyards, staff, etc. And cannot resist a job offer. So a 20-something, raised in a farm and very likely none too savvy to the depths of human depravity, is given a few weeks training and then went into the most terrifying environment in America.

    Google "brown wards" and prisons, for a glimpse of what these guards endure.

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