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    There is no correlation between gun laws and homicide rates. These numbers all include suicide and accidents. There is also no correlation between suicide rates and guns or gun laws as the substitution effect negates any claim.

    No studies are based on gun violence to reach their numbers and all of the data from the studies when put on a scatter plot show higher murder rates in states with stricter gun laws

    There was nothing in the methodology that attempted to identify a causal effect of gun laws and gun homicide rates. Attempting to make a correlation by cherry picking small geographical areas vis-a-vis surrounding states does not correlate because of the social and demographic differences between then with certain guns laws and without certain gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That's not true, California has the most gun deaths. Your story is based on watering down the number of deaths by dividing it by the total population.

    Why do you think that suicides should be included in that number?
    Heh-heh...you mean "per capita"? Are you serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    There is no correlation between gun laws and homicide rates. These numbers all include suicide and accidents. There is also no correlation between suicide rates and guns or gun laws as the substitution effect negates any claim.

    No studies are based on gun violence to reach their numbers and all of the data from the studies when put on a scatter plot show higher murder rates in states with stricter gun laws

    There was nothing in the methodology that attempted to identify a causal effect of gun laws and gun homicide rates. Attempting to make a correlation by cherry picking small geographical areas vis-a-vis surrounding states does not correlate because of the social and demographic differences between then with certain guns laws and without certain gun laws.
    What a dumb summation.

    By your own description it's not cherry picking but wheat harvesting.

    What part of GUN DEATHS do you think shouldn't be counted when talking about gun proliferation.

    Heh-heh...funny people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Heh-heh...you mean "per capita"? Are you serious?
    Yep. Is the number of murderers on your block more important than the number of non murderers more important to your personal safety?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    The states with the strongest gun laws, like California who leads the nation in the number of annual firearm homicides, have the highest numbers of deaths.
    Why do you keep lying about that?

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    What a dumb summation.

    By your own description it's not cherry picking but wheat harvesting.

    What part of GUN DEATHS do you think shouldn't be counted when talking about gun proliferation.

    Heh-heh...funny people.
    Gun deaths have no legitimate meaning or relevance vis-a-vis gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    What a dumb summation.

    By your own description it's not cherry picking but wheat harvesting.

    What part of GUN DEATHS do you think shouldn't be counted when talking about gun proliferation.

    Heh-heh...funny people.
    I've never heard anyone speak kitty litter before. Uhm, like, wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Your link is not firearm related homicides and the total firearm deaths did not make the top ten causes of deaths in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Figures lie and liars figure.
    Firearm deaths includes 2/3s suicides. ...
    Who lied? I said "firearm death rates," and I meant it. Whether you're talking about suicides or murders is irrelevant. I'm looking at "death by firearm," and I meant it.

    But if you want to go by your definition fine - but you'll have to look at NEIGHBORING states. After all, if a state prohibited guns outright, it would matter little since anyone could drive a shipment of guns into the state without being stopped. The states with the lowest firearm MURDER rates are those with strong anti-gun laws AND are not sharing borders with states with lax gun laws. That's why all of the northeasternmost states are clustered near the bottom of the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Heh-heh...I just have to chuckle sometimes.
    When your BS has been shot down with facts? Chuckle away...

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