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    States with MORE gun regulations have fewer gun deaths

    Seems pretty clear cut. Check out the very informative interactive chart. Alaska comes off looking half baked in this.

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    As gun control advocates call for tougher state and federal laws, much of the debate centers on the effectiveness of regulation designed to minimize deaths caused by firearms.


    Proponents of gun control argue that common sense calls for tougher laws to stop gun violence. Gun rights advocates counter by noting that gun laws don't stop someone intent on breaking those laws from killing people.


    So, do gun laws work?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/27/states-with-strict-gun-laws-have-fewer-firearms-deaths-heres-how-your-state-stacks-up.html?__source=Facebook%7Cmain

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    The states with the strongest gun laws, like California who leads the nation in the number of annual firearm homicides, have the highest numbers of deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    The states with the strongest gun laws, like California who leads the nation in the number of annual firearm homicides, have the highest numbers of deaths.
    California also has the most people, by far. You should be looking at firearm death rates per capita

    And at the top of the list, we have (in descending order from the most firearm deaths): Alaska, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Montana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, New Mexico, South Carolina, West Virginia, Missouri, Arizona ...

    So where do those states stand with regard to strong gun laws? California, for the record, is near the BOTTOM of the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...tates_by_state
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    California also has the most people, by far. You should be looking at firearm death rates per capita

    And at the top of the list, we have (in descending order from the most firearm deaths): Alaska, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Montana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, New Mexico, South Carolina, West Virginia, Missouri, Arizona ...

    So where do those states stand with regard to strong gun laws? California, for the record, is near the BOTTOM of the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...tates_by_state
    Figures lie and liars figure.
    Firearm deaths includes 2/3s suicides.
    Firearm homicide rates by state strangely includes D.C. at the top with 24/100k in spite of restrictive gun laws. But as far as gun homicide rates by actual states, it's LA, MS, and then heavily regulated MD all at the top. CA and TX tie in the middle. And HI and NH are at the bottom.
    It's almost as if gun laws have no effect on homicide rates.
    But there are huge disparities, with a range from 10.3 in LA to 1.1 in "Constitutional carry" New Hampshire. Perhaps what's more important than the apparently useless attempts at "gun control" (see D.C. homicide rate) is the people that live in those states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...tates_by_state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    California also has the most people, by far. You should be looking at firearm death rates per capita

    And at the top of the list, we have (in descending order from the most firearm deaths): Alaska, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Montana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, New Mexico, South Carolina, West Virginia, Missouri, Arizona ...

    So where do those states stand with regard to strong gun laws? California, for the record, is near the BOTTOM of the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...tates_by_state
    Not really, what makes an area dangerous is deaths per unit area. If a city block on the South Side of Chicago has a murder a week, and you water it down by the high population density it makes it look safer than Mayberry which has one murder per decade.

    If you are swimming in the bay, it doesn't matter that there are millions of minnows present, the number of sharks is what you worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Figures lie and liars figure.
    Firearm deaths includes 2/3s suicides.
    Firearm homicide rates by state strangely includes D.C. at the top with 24/100k in spite of restrictive gun laws. But as far as gun homicide rates by actual states, it's LA, MS, and then heavily regulated MD all at the top. CA and TX tie in the middle. And HI and NH are at the bottom.
    It's almost as if gun laws have no effect on homicide rates.
    But there are huge disparities, with a range from 10.3 in LA to 1.1 in "Constitutional carry" New Hampshire. Perhaps what's more important than the apparently useless attempts at "gun control" (see D.C. homicide rate) is the people that live in those states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...tates_by_state
    Good point, that makes the data even more skewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Figures lie and liars figure.
    Firearm deaths includes 2/3s suicides.
    Firearm homicide rates by state strangely includes D.C. at the top with 24/100k in spite of restrictive gun laws. But as far as gun homicide rates by actual states, it's LA, MS, and then heavily regulated MD all at the top. CA and TX tie in the middle. And HI and NH are at the bottom.
    It's almost as if gun laws have no effect on homicide rates.
    But there are huge disparities, with a range from 10.3 in LA to 1.1 in "Constitutional carry" New Hampshire. Perhaps what's more important than the apparently useless attempts at "gun control" (see D.C. homicide rate) is the people that live in those states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...tates_by_state
    Heh-heh...I just have to chuckle sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Not really, what makes an area dangerous is deaths per unit area. If a city block on the South Side of Chicago has a murder a week, and you water it down by the high population density it makes it look safer than Mayberry which has one murder per decade.

    If you are swimming in the bay, it doesn't matter that there are millions of minnows present, the number of sharks is what you worry about.
    At some point you have to understand statistics--which you don't. The point of the story is states with more gun regulations have fewer deaths than states with minimal regulations.

    Facts are facts.

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    But...but...CHICAGO!!!!!

    Yeah, right. Illinois has fewer deaths than most southern red states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    At some point you have to understand statistics--which you don't. The point of the story is states with more gun regulations have fewer deaths than states with minimal regulations.

    Facts are facts.
    That's not true, California has the most gun deaths. Your story is based on watering down the number of deaths by dividing it by the total population.

    Why do you think that suicides should be included in that number?

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