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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Personally, i dont think putin cared who won.. He just wanted to divide america even more. And it worked.
    I do agree thats a big part as well. Sowing seeds of division and mistrust is already sinking all our institutions. We dont even trust each other anymore. One of my kids friends is dating a Russian guy who came to the US 10 years ago as a child and her friends are accusing him of being a spy and saying he should leave the US. Its gotten to the point where we are turning on each other. There was a pundit years ago who said the US would never fall from the outside but from within as we ate each other. Putin likes that a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    China is kicking our ass in alternative energy sources. Trump just made us competitors with Russia for backward nation.

    Trump placed tariffs on solar panels coming to America. That drives the cost of people wanting solar energy higher.
    Trump slaps big tariffs on imported solar panels in major escalation of a trade fight with China


    Red States loving wind energy

    Texas wind power continues to dominate
    https://www.chron.com/business/energ...e-12536484.php

    AT&T Announces Mammoth 520 Megawatt Corporate PPA From Oklahoma & Texas Wind Farms
    https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/12...as-wind-farms/


    Trump is a Dinosaur ...just like the coal he loves. Well he really doesn't love coal, he loves the appearance of being a coal supporter.
    And I bet Putin loved it when Trump imposed those tariffs on Chinese solar panels. Heck, it might have even been a suggestion from Ol' Vladimir at one of their meetings. Vladimir: "Hey, Donald, why dontcha put some tariffs on solar panels from China? They're being SOOO unfair to you guys!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is a pretty good hypothesis. And I think you're right. It's a big part of why the Russians wanted him to be president. There are a few other reasons, like weakening NATO and the EU, but oil is a big part of it.
    Oh, I agree. I wanted to submit a fairly concise post. But what you suggest is the big secondary reason, part of Putin's grand strategy for dealing with the West. He wants to separate America from Europe, to separate Britain from continental Europe-----he also meddled in the BREXIT election!-----even to separate Catalonia from Spain. His wet dream would be to separate France from Germany, as that is the heart of the European Union/Western alliance since the end of World War II. Putin is an enemy of democracy everywhere in the world. He is an agent of chaos. He is the most dangerous man in the world.

    A LOT of people in America need to wake up and realize that.

    I am going to say something which many of my friends might vehemently disagree with, and which even surprises myself, truthfully-----but it might be time to try to give Mr. Putin a taste of his own medicine, and for Western intelligence agencies to attempt to eliminate him. We, too, know how to poison people. We just have not done it, as a routine matter, because we are civilized societies, and deem it inhumane. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as my mother used to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    And you would be wrong.
    How do you know? I mean, seriously?
    Do idiots that think they can read minds ever get tired of sounding like idiots?
    Point is, you have no idea. But hack away anyways bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Hillary Clinton was not acting on her own. She was acting as a Secretary of State under the Obama administration.

    What Obama/Clinton/America knew in 2009 was in no way indicative of what we know now. The reset button was not a Hack Free button.
    There was this guy named Mitt Romney who suggested it. He outright said that Russia was our biggest enemy. Then president Barack H Obama mocked him for saying that. Does that ever look stupid now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Hillary Clinton was not acting on her own. She was acting as a Secretary of State under the Obama administration.

    What Obama/Clinton/America knew in 2009 was in no way indicative of what we know now. The reset button was not a Hack Free button.

    That Hack Free button came later.
    To this day, that photo makes me throw up in my mouth.

    The first time I saw it, I DID actually vomit. God's honest truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do agree thats a big part as well. Sowing seeds of division and mistrust is already sinking all our institutions. We dont even trust each other anymore. One of my kids friends is dating a Russian guy who came to the US 10 years ago as a child and her friends are accusing him of being a spy and saying he should leave the US. Its gotten to the point where we are turning on each other. There was a pundit years ago who said the US would never fall from the outside but from within as we ate each other. Putin likes that a lot.
    IMO, its genius. Probably how that tyrant won another term..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    How do you know? I mean, seriously?
    Do idiots that think they can read minds ever get tired of sounding like idiots?
    Point is, you have no idea. But hack away anyways bro!
    Our intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians had a DECIDED preference for Donald Trump.

    YOU have concluded that our intelligence agencies are composed of incompetent buffoons. Apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Our intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians had a DECIDED preference for Donald Trump.

    YOU have concluded that our intelligence agencies are composed of incompetent buffoons. Apparently.
    Dude, Look at the WHOLE picture. He did ads and rallies against trump as well. He did it to local elections. He is doing it to other countries.
    Or, perhaps, tunnel vision and selective reality is your preference?
    "our intelligence agencies" yea, they never get anything wrong or lie do they? LOL

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    Putin got an anti trump rally and a trump rally like 2 blocks away from each other, at the same time. THINK about that for a minute!

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