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    The REAL Reason Putin & The Russians Wanted Trump So Badly

    I continue to be amazed that there has been so little discussion about the REAL reason Putin and the Russians wanted Trump so badly that they were willing to mount a massive interference and meddling campaign in the American election to bring about the election of their man, possibly leading to decades of very sour relations with the country that is still the leading superpower of the world.

    Now, true, Vladimir Putin certainly had good reasons to loathe Hillary Clinton. After his abrupt seizure of the Crimean Peninsula, Hillary started comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler. You may have noticed that most people are not fond of being compared to Adolf Hitler. And, in truth, that kind of rhetoric from Hillary was just a tad bit overheated. [Don't you think?]

    But Putin and the Russians wanted Trump for over-riding reasons, for reasons MUCH more important than that.

    The Russian economy is almost totally dependent on exports of fossil fuels. And there is about as much chance of the Russian economy transforming away from that in the next few decades as there is of a Central American banana republic/plantation economy becoming a dynamic high-tech computerized economy in the same time frame.

    Believe me, the Russians are just positively and overwhelmingly delighted to have an American President who denies the reality of man-made climate change sitting in the Oval Office. THAT is what they wanted. THAT is what they got. THAT is what they were celebrating on Election Night. THAT is what they were popping champagne corks about.

    The very LAST thing the Russians want to see is an America leading the world forward into an era of a world economy founded on renewable energy resources, primarily solar and wind, augmented by advances in energy storage technologies.

    All of that would totally UNDERMINE the current Russian economy. Leaving them WHERE, exactly? As a backward, Third World economy.

    Now you know.
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    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that as Secretary of State pressed a Reset button on relations with Russia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that as Secretary of State pressed a Reset button on relations with Russia?
    Yup, the one and the same. And that was, indeed, a bad moment in U.S. diplomacy. Never said Hillary was a genius, now, did I? In fact, I criticized her for comparing Putin to Adolf Hitler, did I not?
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    This is a pretty good hypothesis. And I think you're right. It's a big part of why the Russians wanted him to be president. There are a few other reasons, like weakening NATO and the EU, but oil is a big part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that as Secretary of State pressed a Reset button on relations with Russia?
    Hillary Clinton was not acting on her own. She was acting as a Secretary of State under the Obama administration.

    What Obama/Clinton/America knew in 2009 was in no way indicative of what we know now. The reset button was not a Hack Free button.

    That Hack Free button came later.
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    China is kicking our ass in alternative energy sources. Trump just made us competitors with Russia for backward nation.

    Trump placed tariffs on solar panels coming to America. That drives the cost of people wanting solar energy higher.
    Trump slaps big tariffs on imported solar panels in major escalation of a trade fight with China


    Red States loving wind energy

    Texas wind power continues to dominate
    https://www.chron.com/business/energ...e-12536484.php

    AT&T Announces Mammoth 520 Megawatt Corporate PPA From Oklahoma & Texas Wind Farms
    https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/12...as-wind-farms/


    Trump is a Dinosaur ...just like the coal he loves. Well he really doesn't love coal, he loves the appearance of being a coal supporter.
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    Personally, i dont think putin cared who won.. He just wanted to divide america even more. And it worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I continue to be amazed that there has been so little discussion about the REAL reason Putin and the Russians wanted Trump so badly that they were willing to mount a massive interference and meddling campaign in the American election to bring about the election of their man, possibly leading to decades of very sour relations with the country that is still the leading superpower of the world.

    Now, true, Vladimir Putin certainly had good reasons to loathe Hillary Clinton. After his abrupt seizure of the Crimean Peninsula, Hillary started comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler. You may have noticed that most people are not fond of being compared to Adolf Hitler. And, in truth, that kind of rhetoric from Hillary was just a tad bit overheated. [Don't you think?]

    But Putin and the Russians wanted Trump for over-riding reasons, for reasons MUCH more important than that.

    The Russian economy is almost totally dependent on exports of fossil fuels. And there is about as much chance of the Russian economy transforming away from that in the next few decades as there is of a Central American banana republic/plantation economy becoming a dynamic high-tech computerized economy in the same time frame.

    Believe me, the Russians are just positively and overwhelmingly delighted to have an American President who denies the reality of man-made climate change sitting in the Oval Office. THAT is what they wanted. THAT is what they got. THAT is what they were celebrating on Election Night. THAT is what they were popping champagne corks about.

    The very LAST thing the Russians want to see is an America leading the world forward into an era of a world economy founded on renewable energy resources, primarily solar and wind, augmented by advances in energy storage technologies.

    All of that would totally UNDERMINE the current Russian economy. Leaving them WHERE, exactly? As a backward, Third World economy.

    Now you know.
    Why do they appear to have interfered in Brexit and other elections? It appears this sort of thing has been at least in the planning stages for years. One British study said it was possible Russia was doing dry runs at least 5 years ago to see how far they could get in all sorts of systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Personally, i dont think putin cared who won.. He just wanted to divide america even more. And it worked.
    And you would be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Why do they appear to have interfered in Brexit and other elections? It appears this sort of thing has been at least in the planning stages for years. One British study said it was possible Russia was doing dry runs at least 5 years ago to see how far they could get in all sorts of systems.
    That's all part of weakening the EU and NATO, etc.
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