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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    What sort of engagement are they planning for? A missile strike that lasts a a couple hours or a long mission with lots of action including dealing with Russians.
    That sounds about right.

    The Russians have said they will take out the source of US missiles. With Russian subs and ships in the eastern Med, sending a CVN task force seems prudent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Didn't we go into Kosova about the time of Monica?
    NATO action? Yes.

    In fact Trump's Tweeted bombing announcement came as a stand alone unlike the Kosovo NATO action. If NATO votes with the rest of the world to bomb Syria over the poisoning then there would be nothing to complain about. That is not the case, yet.
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    Keep in mind that a small force of American military killed an estimated 300 Russians just a few weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Keep in mind that a small force of American military killed an estimated 300 Russians just a few weeks ago.
    Russian mercenaries working for Russian companies. Yeah, what a slaughterhouse. What’s next a school full of kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Keep in mind that a small force of American military killed an estimated 300 Russians just a few weeks ago.


    Shhh!

    The regressive meme is that they were "mercenaries".

    Meanwhile, Russian warships leave Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    That sounds about right.

    The Russians have said they will take out the source of US missiles. With Russian subs and ships in the eastern Med, sending a CVN task force seems prudent.
    This can spiral out of control. Two hard headed administrations going at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Shhh!

    The regressive meme is that they were "mercenaries".

    Meanwhile, Russian warships leave Syria.
    Is that what you are calling Trumps admistration? Ok then.


    The Pentagon is reiterating that a battle in Syria that allegedly left some number of Russian mercenaries dead was purely an act of self-defense on the part of U.S. forces. Indeed, the Pentagon still does not know exactly who it is that American forces targeted during their retaliatory strike on Feb. 7.

    “Our strikes were done out of self-defense,” Pentagon chief spokesperson Dana W. White told reporters on Feb. 22. “We were very clear about that. We saw that group moving towards us. We still don't know, and I won't speculate, about the intentions or the composition of that group.”


    White reiterated that the United States did everything it could do ensure that no Russian forces got caught in the crossfire in Syria. “What I can tell you is that we used our deconfliction phone line, and we used it before, during and after the strike,” White said. “And we were assured by the Russians that there were no Russians involved. And so those are all of the details that I have...That was purely out of self-defense.”

    Russian officials said five citizens may have been killed but they had no relation to Russia’s armed forces.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1FZ2DZ

    U.S. Military Battle with Possible Russian Mercenaries: 'Our Strikes Were Done out of Self-Defense' | The National Interest Blog
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Would sure like to see some more compelling evidence of who the perps actually were.

    The UK is pushing for an investigation. Nikki Haley seems to be pushing for a bombing run.


    Not picking up a good vibe on this whole cluster fuck.....
    The conundrum remains the same as it has been since this all began. I heard a Brit speak eloquently to it, this morning. If you do serious wounding to Assad, who is a secular leader, then you are in essence, helping all the rebel forces, most of them in favor of a fundamental theocratic leadership and human rights being trampled in other ways. If you don't do anything, then in a way, you normalize the use of chemical weapons and killing innocent children, to fight a war. If you jump in with both feet and get involved in a major way, then you have another Iraq or Afghanistan (with the inclusion of Russia and other nations), again, with questionable outcomes after just as many or more dead, from added fighters, sides taking revenge on civilians simply because they side with or are being helped by outside forces. There is no "good" side to this war, no matter who wins, they will likely be as ruthless and oppressive as the existing regime. In addition, which nations initially invented and/or used these sorts of chemical weapons? Hypocrisy is a recruiting tool, never mind that those who often use it as a recruiting tool against the "evil" outsiders are also hypocritical, but they recruit the poor and uneducated who don't do a lot of thinking.

    Another way to perhaps do something, without simply standing by or jumping in full tilt with our military is to bomb any facilities we know are storing or producing these weapons, BUT, because, "The chemical weapons agreements arose at a time when the United States and France headed a coalition of countries on the verge of carrying out air strikes on Syria in response to the 21 August 2013 Ghouta chemical-weapon attacks,[3] To avoid a military intervention, the United States, Russia and Syria agreed to the "Framework for Elimination of Syrian Chemical Weapons" on 14 September 2013, which called for the elimination of Syria's chemical weapon stockpiles by mid-2014.[4][5][6] Syria agreed to accede to the Chemical Weapons Convention and to the destruction of its chemical weapons stockpiles."[7][8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destru...emical_weapons
    As a party to that agreement, we should know what happened to those weapons and if any exist, where they might be, but that seems to be a mystery and reason why, while it seems like blaming Assad would be slam dunk, there are motivations for others to frame Assad, because they are no less ruthless when it comes to killing civilians and children and framing Assad would advantage them. When so many sides in this conflict are into both revenge killing and having little or no interest in distinguishing combatants from civilians or children, Assad is as likely as not, not the only wretched soul in this conflict when if comes to killing civilians and children. Just as there is no honor in a den of thieves, there is likely no honor amongst those whose only interest is to come out on top and remember, for all the anger and disgust Trump showed about video of chemical weapon poisoned children, he is on record as saying "you have to take out their families, with regard to his method of getting terrorists to capitulate.


    Of those nations, in the agreement only one is not suggesting that any specific side in the war is within its rights to put down rebellion as a sovereign nation with a sovereign leader. Russia has taken Assad's position and side, thus it would seem that if there is any way to put pressure on Assad, regarding the use of chemical weapons, it would be by calling Russia into accountability for their aid to Assad and their responsibility as a signatory to the chemical weapons destruction agreement, to pressure Assad on the issue and possibly threaten to pull out their aid in supporting him.

    Put Russia on the spot as being supportive of the use of chemical weapons on civilians and children, via their aid and affiliation to Assad. I don't know if Putin might care if he was associated with doing nothing about Assad's use of chemical weapons or being characterized as supporting their use, via their support for Assad, but if nothing else, it might force Russia to be a watchdog over Assad's forces to make sure their support of Assad is NOT associated also, with his use of chemical weapons against civilians, including young children.

    With Trump's reluctance to offend Putin in any way, would he do this or will he continue to suggest "getting along with Russia" is a good thing, even if they won't use their aid to Assad as a bargaining chip to at least get him to stop using chemical weapons.

    The other mystery seems to be why he keeps doing it, when he should know it threatens any help he gets to fight rebels and when he already has an advantage in air power and conventional weapons over rebel factions. Why would he continue to do things that enrage the world against him, not just those he is fighting? As the Brit gentleman I heard this morning say, the scale Assad is using these weapons on is much smaller than what Saddam Hussein did, so in weighing the damages using them inflicts, against the damage it inflicts against any support he might get to fend off the rebels, it would seem the cost of using chemical weapons is far greater than any "benefit" he thinks there might be in using them, unless perhaps it is merely to use them as a fear factor or in the way our own Donald Trump suggested, that "you have to take out their families".........

    None of it is good, but one might think Russia could step up to the plate to pressure Assad to stop using chemical weapons, if for no other reason than just like everyone else, Russians likely do not want to be associated with helping someone who uses chemical weapons to kill civilians and children. If Russia threatens to pull its support out if Assad continues, then Assad might heed their warning, if indeed, Assad is doing this.

    All this at the same time, presents a motivation for someone else to be using the chemical weapons as a means to get the world to condemn Assad, since he is, their enemy. One might think that if Assad didn't care what the rest of the world thought with regard to his using chemical weapons, then why not use them on a widespread basis as a means to end the war? On a pure comparison basis, WWII was ended by the use of WMD......

    This may be why there is reluctance to take action and if action is taken, what action would be productive in any way. There is no question that doing nothing, is also a hollow solution, but if doing something is no less hollow, then it is no different than doing nothing, If doing something might get more people killed than would be killed by doing nothing, then it is a cost, not a benefit and we aren't saving lives, but costing more. Too bad we can't move Syrians that want no part of either side OUT of Syria and let Assad and the rebels fight to the death as they already are, with civilians trapped in the crossfire. If we need to do something, perhaps maybe taking in refugees, instead of coming up with excuses not to and condemning them to stay where we then call their deaths from chemical weapons disgusting, inhumane and the work of worse than an animal......We might also think about destroying our own arsenal of weapons we call the use of, disgusting, inhumane and the work of worse than animals. It sounds kind of hollow when we claim the use of such weapons are as described, when we didn't refuse to develop a lot of them, in the first place.

    All this makes me think again, of the "Lord of the Rings"......and tossing the ring into the volcano as a means to remove the temptation to use evil to vanquish evil, because we somehow think it not evil, so long as we use evil, in the name of "good". Same with Star Wars.....and use of the "Force" (power)....and hating evil so badly we turn to acts that we call evil, to try to destroy it. Problem is, we don't destroy it, we only become, one more person, doing an act that is evil, our act was more evil than the evil act tried against us.

    Tangled webs........actions that come back to haunt.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Your Putin obsession is getting stale. Hillary helped advance his technology and advanced his uranium interests along with Mueller giving cover to the corruption.
    Along the way a few $$$ flowed to the Clinton's.
    OH please....look at your post. And you have the gall to preach to anyone about THEIR obsessions?
    It is to fucking laugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Not sure what Cohen and a stripper have to do with Russia casting votes in our election.
    Who
    said anything about Russia or Russian CASTING votes in our election?

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