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    No it isn't...we all have our own neighborhoods, it is where we live. That was the point.
    If black people generally live in different (their own) neighborhoods than white people, that is racism. We have laws to prevent such an occurrence, but it does also appear to be a matter of personal choice, generally, for people to live near others with whom they identify. In other words, we'd have segregated neighborhoods even in an ideal world, because people with similar identities voluntarily choose to live near each other.
    The whole premise of this article is absurd, medically. Being subjected to racism does not increase infant mortality rates, especially as far back as the OP article suggests. This is virtue signaling.
    I don't know. I think racism can be pretty subtle, and isn't there a lot of evidence to show that many of the choices doctors make regarding labor and delivery are personal rather than directly indicated by medical requirements? Every artificial intervention during labor makes another artificial intervention more likely. That's why women I know who are wise to the ways of obstetricians insist on having a birthing plan. Otherwise they might find themselves on the way to any number of treatments they don't want.

    Even subtle, small differences in treatment can in the aggregate create rather different outcomes. If doctors and nurses offered care the was just a little bit less astute to AA women, there could be differences based on racism--racism they don't even really know they practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Explain yourself. Our government does all it can to move people into other people's neighborhoods. Racism....what a crutch to explain away everything.
    I think it was the poster's choice of words that made the difference here.

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    I'm not sure why comparing racism today against racism in 1850 makes any sense. I'm pretty sure that neonatal mortality was much worse in 1850 for EVERYONE, particularly slaves, but what does that fact tell us?
    that an internet chat site is the absolute worst place to try to have a substantive discussion on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    They need to drill down on mother's lifestyle and eating, drinking, smoking, drug habits . Stress may be a factor, blaming it on racism is a self imposed issue. Higher income brackets doesn't determine lifestyle and nutrition. Foolish behavior cuts across all social strata. Racism is a stretch. Personal decisions matter.
    If it applies to all socioeconomic levels and ends with the same results than I think they are closer to being correct than you are. Your theory doesn't stand up enough for me because you are not factoring in the wealthier higher access to preventative healthcare and lifestyle benefits. Stress due to racism may be the only common denominator. I would never assume that systemic racism doesn't play into this health oddity that certainly could be stress impacted given the smaller birth weight/size/etc. Further studies will be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Obviously, racism is a source of huge, unremitting stress. But then, victims would have a greater risk of stress-related illnesses and injuries.

    Hard to believe these types of illnesses and injuries are proving fatal among black women and their infants.

    Damaging, yes. But fatal?
    If the above is true then that is the oddity: It impacts the poor and the wealthy and it shouldn't. The smaller birth size is a clue that they may be correct about stress. Systemic racism's impact on daily lives is not always understood. More studies may find that the old fashioned killer called "stress" is the culprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    If the above is true then that is the oddity: It impacts the poor and the wealthy and it shouldn't. The smaller birth size is a clue that they may be correct about stress. Systemic racism's impact on daily lives is not always understood. More studies may find that the old fashioned killer called "stress" is the culprit.
    You can create racism in your mind. If you think it enough and talked yourself into it, that's on you. You can blame all your stupid decisions in life on something you dreamed up in your head.

    Drop out of school, join gangs, get knocked up young, use drugs, smoke, poor diet, grossly obese, diabetic, yea your fetus will be stressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    You can create racism in your mind. If you think it enough and talked yourself into it, that's on you. You can blame all your stupid decisions in life on something you dreamed up in your head.

    Drop out of school, join gangs, get knocked up young, use drugs, smoke, poor diet, grossly obese, diabetic, yea your fetus will be stressed.
    You obviously didn't see that the differences exist even among AA women who are untroubled by these problems. But your assumption that nearly all AA women are afflicted by self-imposed maladies shows something about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You obviously didn't see that the differences exist even among AA women who are untroubled by these problems. But your assumption that nearly all AA women are afflicted by self-imposed maladies shows something about you.
    Never said all. Blaming racism on so many problems in the world is getting stale. People can blame their problems on anything they can think up. Have a problem delivering a healthy baby, start first with yourself, then broaden out the search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Never said all.
    That doesn't matter a whit. Even if you just think that blacks are disproportionately irresponsible humans (a clear implication of our post), that's racist.
    Blaming racism on so many problems in the world is getting stale. People can blame their problems on anything they can think up. Have a problem delivering a healthy baby, start first with yourself, then broaden out the search.
    You really are wondering in the dark about this, aren't you? This isn't about one woman having a hard time delivering a healthy baby. Its about statistical evidence that shows AA women are more at risk--both for themselves and their babies--than other women. The question isn't how one woman can deliver a healthy baby. The question is why there's a gap, which is persistent even for middle-class AA women.
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