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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Okay... so it has not happened in the US. Our first amendment rights don't extend around the world, so in the US is all I can talk about. You are worried about something that has never happened, but what Aboutenough is talking about does happen. So in a nutshell, Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Okay... so it has not happened in the US. Our first amendment rights don't extend around the world, so in the US is all I can talk about. You are worried about something that has never happened, but what Aboutenough is talking about does happen. So in a nutshell, Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion)
    Meanwhile the left continuously warns us about Christians attempting to force their beliefs upon others...Many go so far as to state we are looking to create a theocracy. This is idiocy because that is outside what Christ taught.

    No one is forcing anything from the Christian side, all Christians are saying is they will not condone or support...and then voices like yours pervert that into "...Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion"

    AND...last I checked Kentucky is IN the US. (my second link)
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Meanwhile the left continuously warns us about Christians attempting to force their beliefs upon others...Many go so far as to state we are looking to create a theocracy. This is idiocy because that is outside what Christ taught.

    No one is forcing anything from the Christian side, all Christians are saying is they will not condone or support...and then voices like yours pervert that into "...Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion"

    AND...last I checked Kentucky is IN the US. (my second link)
    Ironic since the OP is totally making the case for a theocracy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Meanwhile the left continuously warns us about Christians attempting to force their beliefs upon others...Many go so far as to state we are looking to create a theocracy. This is idiocy because that is outside what Christ taught.

    No one is forcing anything from the Christian side, all Christians are saying is they will not condone or support...and then voices like yours pervert that into "...Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion"

    AND...last I checked Kentucky is IN the US. (my second link)
    You said prosecute... and then you backed off a bit because no one has been prosecuted for that. Am I wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    What about the wall of separation between church and state? Did you know a recent poll demonstrated that 67% of Americans believe the phrase separation of church and state is found in the first amendment of the constitution? That phrase isn’t found in the first amendment or anywhere else in the constitution. In the year 1800, Thomas Jefferson was the newly elected President of the United States. A group of Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut heard the rumor that Thomas Jefferson was going to establish the congregational denomination as the state denomination.
    They wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson protesting this rumor that the congregational church was going to be the state church. And so Thomas Jefferson on January 1, 1802 wrote this letter to the Baptists.
    “I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no all respecting and establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof thus building a wall of separation between church and state.’”
    Jefferson was referring to an establishment of a denomination, not a religion. The First Amendment that prohibits government from establishing a particular religion deals with denominations not faiths. He was saying, we’re not going to make one denomination the state denomination. More importantly, what I want you to see is, Thomas Jefferson used this phrase to reassure Christians that government would do nothing to prohibit their free exercise of religion.https://ptv.org/america-is-a-christian-nation/

    Liberals have been perpetrating this lie for a very long time. Time to expose them in what they are doing once and for all. Jefferson wrote the letter to the Church to reassure them that government would not prohibit their free exercise. Today Atheist and Secularist are using the Freedom From Religious Foundation as a tool to limit free exercise. the exact opposite of what Jefferson wanted
    The phrase isn't in the first amendment, but that's where the concept is derived from. The first amendment prohibits the government from making laws with respect to an establishment of religion, and courts have interpreted that to prohibit undue entanglements between church and state.... and rightly so. If we keep a healthy wall between the two, they can both function well. But once we allow them to get intertwined, we're going to be fighting political fights over what ought to be religious matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Yet - The gay activist's want people prosecuted when they refuse to condone and support gays. Gay activist's can hurl homophobic, bigotry, etc etc accusations all day long, but if someone in turn says that homosexuality is a perversion...Now it's time to prosecute. AND if that is a law, then the gov is establishing religious practice, by deciding what they can and cannot say and/or believe.
    People can want all they want to for whatever they wish.
    I WANT Melania Trump to divorce Donald, take about 1/2 his money with her when she leaves and come to my door begging me to be her sex slave.

    So fucking what? My dad used to say "shit in one hand and want/wish in the other and see which one fills up first."

    And who exactly has been prosecuted by exactly which court for "saying homosexuality is a perversion?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    In other words you're full of crap and it is NOT happening in the U.S. You lied, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    In it's origin it was Jefferson declaring the state could not establish religion. Liberals have, like with so much of the Constitution (see general welfare) perverted / warped this to suit their particular needs.
    Jefferson WAS a liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Okay... so it has not happened in the US. Our first amendment rights don't extend around the world, so in the US is all I can talk about. You are worried about something that has never happened, but what Aboutenough is talking about does happen. So in a nutshell, Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion)
    You would think that some of these people believe that the U.S. Constitution applies to all the countries in the world. Amazing, just amazing, it's as if they have never heard of national sovereignty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Meanwhile the left continuously warns us about Christians attempting to force their beliefs upon others...Many go so far as to state we are looking to create a theocracy. This is idiocy because that is outside what Christ taught.

    No one is forcing anything from the Christian side, all Christians are saying is they will not condone or support...and then voices like yours pervert that into "...Christians should not be able to use as an excuse that maybe one day they will be discriminated against, as an excuse to force their faith on others. (Of course, that's in my opinion"

    AND...last I checked Kentucky is IN the US. (my second link)
    Over the past century, Christians have REPEATEDLY attempted to force 'Bible science' and 'scientific creationism' and 'intelligent design theory' down the throats of science students in America, and have fortunately been BLOCKED by our courts at every time. I guess you just haven't been paying attention.

    Maybe you should start paying attention.
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