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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    There is no conflict if you send your kids to a private religious school, they can be indoctrinated to your hearts content. But if it is a public school paid for by the general public, then my kids and grandkids need to be left the fuck alone by all radical religious extremists
    Allowing people to pray in public if they wish is not the same as indoctrination.

    That's absurd. When family members say a blessing at the dinner table I do not accuse them of trying to convert me to their religion. lol

    Also: one's aversion for so-called radical religious extremists is not an excuse to deny Americans their free exercise rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Allowing people to pray in public if they wish is not the same as indoctrination.

    That's absurd. When family members say a blessing at the dinner table I do not accuse them of trying to convert me to their religion. lol

    Also: one's aversion for so-called radical religious extremists is not an excuse to deny Americans their free exercise rights.
    It sounds like you have no problem with some cultist teacher giving your kids a mind fucking. Sorry, but a lot of us do have objections. And do not pretend that religious nutters are not constantly looking to recruit young minds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    The phrase isn't in the first amendment, but that's where the concept is derived from.
    Basically, yes, that is where Jefferson got it from. The Supreme Court adopted the phrase at least as far back as 1878 (want the case citation?), so the OP's claim to a liberal conspiracy is absurd on its face, and he is just trolling and promoting his hatred for gays and a false narrative of Xians vs. gays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The argument of Separartion of Church and State has been based on a false premise propagated by Liberals mostly . The government was not to impede on the churches free exercise, but the atheist goal is to do just that. The fear that religion is about to become a Theocracy is also false and they use that to further limit free exercise
    Ummm... religion can't become a theocracy. That's not how things work. Perhaps you meant "the fear that America is about to become a Theocracy"?

    America won't become a theocracy. Ever. Never ever. It's nothing to fear. It just won't happen. In spite of you wanting it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    It sounds like you have no problem with some cultist teacher giving your kids a mind fucking. Sorry, but a lot of us do have objections. And do not pretend that religious nutters are not constantly looking to recruit young minds
    Like I told you - allowing people to pray in public is not the same as indoctrination. Nor is everyone who prays in public a religious nutter.

    That's like suggesting my aunt or grandma was mind fucking me and trying to indoctrinate me into some cult because she said a blessing at the dinner table.

    Your argument loses all credibility when you make such absurd comparisons.

    But this board generally seems to have a paranoid fear of Cults - so I'll cut you some slack. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Yet - The gay activist's want people prosecuted when they refuse to condone and support gays. Gay activist's can hurl homophobic, bigotry, etc etc accusations all day long, but if someone in turn says that homosexuality is a perversion...Now it's time to prosecute. AND if that is a law, then the gov is establishing religious practice, by deciding what they can and cannot say and/or believe.
    Who has been prosecuted for saying homosexuality is a perversion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    This wall between church and state is mostly an invention by activists masquerading as judges.
    No, it is not. The phrase itself was adopted by the Supreme Court at least as far back as 1878, before the concept of "judicial activism" in contemporary politics even existed. You are complaining about a bogeyman - and so is the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    And how is that any different than a child coming home wanting to wear their hair like the teacher they admired does?

    That doesn't justify stripping individuals of their right to freely exercise their religion - anymore than it justifies stripping them of their right to freely express themselves. People should be allowed to pray in public if they want. And I don't believe for a second Jefferson would say otherwise.
    That you are comparing a hairstyle to a religion shows that you have not thought very carefully about this question.

    If a teacher is praying in class when they are supposed to be teaching algebra or geography or English grammar, then they are not doing their assigned job. If it is lunch hour, and they are silently praying at their desk before eating their lunch, I don't think anyone has any objection. See the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    For example: setting up a state religion is a long way away from forbidding teachers from praying in front of students.
    No, it is not. No teacher has ever merely "pray[ed] in front of students," unless they happened to belong to the same church, and it is intellectually dishonest to claim that one has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    And how is that any different than a child coming home wanting to wear their hair like the teacher they admired does?
    The First Amendment prohibits an Establishment of Religion, not an Establishment of Hairstyles.
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