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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    LOL 'Deep State'..read 'Illuminati', 'NWO', 'Bilderberg' etc.
    Scapegoating and believing in things that can't be unproven (thus are "true" because of the no one can prove they are not true, "logic") is nothing new to the world and neither is the use of scapegoating to ironically, manipulate numbers of people to do horrific things to others, because they are led to fear something that is "true" in their minds, because they can't disprove it is true.

    I believe the idea is to draw people in to placing their money on being able to follow the pea, when they never had a chance in hell of doing so, but were led to believe they did.



    Nothing wrong with rooting out isolated groups of conspirators plotting to do harm, but massive conspiracy theories, unfortunately and ironically, lead to groups of those who conspire to "take out" something they think exists, but have no proof of it's existence, but hype and frenzy.

    If there are any things the world needs now, it is sanity, with more people interested in the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth, both in terms of searching for it and giving it.

    If people spent as much time and put as much energy into being honest and trustworthy as so many seem to do, trying to con people and rip them off, they might find being honest and trustworthy is a lot easier and less risky.
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    From the authorization letter for the Mueller investigation, to the widespread support for the dossier among bureaucrats who passed it along as truth, to the undeniable pattern of collusion between Comey and his allies in the press, to the Strosz email stream and surrounding comments (and firing), something wasn't right in DC. Whatever label you put on it, how does anyone justify that the Mueller authorization letter totally ignores all this malfeasance and lists the Trump campaign as primary focus?

    This is no Conspiracy theory. This is sedition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    I know he did. That is exactly my point. The IG has leaked nothing. The IG has sent nothing to Congress hoping they would leak it.

    You claimed he would expose testimony obtained during an investigation. I said he has no such track record.
    No, I said he would disclose it, on an official basis in a statement to the public or a report to the government.

    I could not have been more clear about this, and I've already reiterated it to you more than once without substantial rebuttal, so for you to claim otherwise is simply a lie.

    Let's be clear about one thing: A leak is an unauthorized, unattributed, deniable release of information which entails career or legal consequences for the leaker if they are identified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    From the authorization letter for the Mueller investigation, to the widespread support for the dossier among bureaucrats who passed it along as truth, to the undeniable pattern of collusion between Comey and his allies in the press, to the Strosz email stream and surrounding comments (and firing), something wasn't right in DC. Whatever label you put on it, how does anyone justify that the Mueller authorization letter totally ignores all this malfeasance and lists the Trump campaign as primary focus?

    This is no Conspiracy theory. This is sedition.
    No, this is a pathetic right wing deflection from the focus on the total corruption that is the Trump Regime. The fringe elements of the GOP are willing to accept any amount of Trumpian corruption is support of their God,guns, and abortion agenda
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    From the authorization letter for the Mueller investigation, to the widespread support for the dossier among bureaucrats who passed it along as truth
    To sum it up, the Trumps have consistently denied two accusations in the dossier which we now know to be true. 1) Michael Cohen made a secret visit to Prague in 2016 and is desperate to conceal what he did there

    and 2) Trump stayed for at least one, perhaps two nights in Moscow in 2013 and is desperate to conceal what he did there. DoJ now reportedly has evidence verifying the former, and Trump admitted the latter yesterday morning.

    to the undeniable pattern of collusion between Comey and his allies in the press, to the Strosz email stream and surrounding comments (and firing)
    Peter Strzok was removed from this investigation last summer, not long after Mueller took office. Comey was out of office, of course, before Mueller even began. Zero connection between the three.

    something wasn't right in DC.
    Oh, this claptrap. It doesn't matter if you have no evidence or reasonable inference to substantiate what you're saying, "something isn't right." Amazing deduction!

    Whatever label you put on it, how does anyone justify that the Mueller authorization letter totally ignores all this malfeasance and lists the Trump campaign as primary focus?
    The President's own behavior. Mueller became inevitable once Comey was fired for carefully delineated reasons having nothing to do with Russia — then Trump revealed to Lester Holt it was really all about Russia.

    In firing Comey without pre-arranged due cause (he could've arranged it), and then having that interview, Trump committed probably the two worst political mistakes of the modern era.

    This is no Conspiracy theory. This is sedition.
    Really? Using the state's own authority against specific public officials is sedition? Interesting definition...
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    Frankly, when I see conservatives throw around terms like "treason" and "sedition," I become ever more convinced that, on balance, with plenty of exceptions but not enough to halt or reverse the trend, today's Republican Party is very much becoming the Authoritarian Party. Wherein, the dogma of the day is not the rule of law, or holding folks with power to account. It's, "Donald Trump is our leader and seeking to do him harm is bad."

    Confronted with an ever dicier political situation in an election year, rank and file Republican voters are, with eager leadership from their trusted media, increasingly searching for a way to empower Trump to wave his hand and make it all go away, no matter the cost. It's dangerous. It has happened and is happening in multiple societies around the world throughout history and today. We should never presume we are immune to it.

    We haven't seen this much "do what the president says and on all other matters look away" culture since FDR. We needed it during World War II, at least on certain decisions. We must stop it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Frankly, when I see conservatives throw around terms like "treason" and "sedition," I become ever more convinced that, on balance, with plenty of exceptions but not enough to halt or reverse the trend, today's Republican Party is very much becoming the Authoritarian Party. Wherein, the dogma of the day is not the rule of law, or holding folks with power to account. It's, "Donald Trump is our leader and seeking to do him harm is bad."

    Confronted with an ever dicier political situation in an election year, rank and file Republican voters are, with eager leadership from their trusted media, increasingly searching for a way to empower Trump to wave his hand and make it all go away, no matter the cost. It's dangerous. It has happened and is happening in multiple societies around the world throughout history and today. We should never presume we are immune to it.

    We haven't seen this much "do what the president says and on all other matters look away" culture since FDR. We needed it during World War II, at least on certain decisions. We must stop it now.
    Side note: Some of the liberals' behavior around charismatic, apparently well-intentioned, but incredibly flawed characters like Comey leaves me worried this doesn't end when Trump is either defeated or removed from office, the former being much more likely (and much more desirable) even now. Instead, it will just flip, and leftist authoritarians will want to shield their president from all reasonable scrutiny — because after all, we have to stop the next Trump.

    It's troubling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Side note: Some of the liberals' behavior around charismatic, apparently well-intentioned, but incredibly flawed characters like Comey leaves me worried this doesn't end when Trump is either defeated or removed from office, the former being much more likely (and much more desirable) even now. Instead, it will just flip, and leftist authoritarians will want to shield their president from all reasonable scrutiny — because after all, we have to stop the next Trump.

    It's troubling.
    Good description of sedition. Sure you don't agree with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    To sum it up, the Trumps have consistently denied two accusations in the dossier which we now know to be true. 1) Michael Cohen made a secret visit to Prague in 2016 and is desperate to conceal what he did there

    and 2) Trump stayed for at least one, perhaps two nights in Moscow in 2013 and is desperate to conceal what he did there. DoJ now reportedly has evidence verifying the former, and Trump admitted the latter yesterday morning.


    Peter Strzok was removed from this investigation last summer, not long after Mueller took office. Comey was out of office, of course, before Mueller even began. Zero connection between the three.


    Oh, this claptrap. It doesn't matter if you have no evidence or reasonable inference to substantiate what you're saying, "something isn't right." Amazing deduction!


    The President's own behavior. Mueller became inevitable once Comey was fired for carefully delineated reasons having nothing to do with Russia — then Trump revealed to Lester Holt it was really all about Russia.

    In firing Comey without pre-arranged due cause (he could've arranged it), and then having that interview, Trump committed probably the two worst political mistakes of the modern era.


    Really? Using the state's own authority against specific public officials is sedition? Interesting definition...
    Strzok may of been removed but he hasn't answered for his behavior / crimes. Further evidence of the caliber of people Mueller relies on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Strzok may of been removed but he hasn't answered for his behavior / crimes. Further evidence of the caliber of people Mueller relies on.
    Your party controls all three branches of government and you can’t muster a single fucking indictment against a single person you are accusing of crimes against the state. Either this GOP is the most worthless and incompetent in history or you have no case, which is it?
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