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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    But why do you require a Christian to follow the principles of Islam?
    Obama was born a Muslim according to the rules of the Muslim religion. Not what I require, its what the Muslim religion requires

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Fuck those rules. Barack's mother ignored any such rule, Barack himself ignored any such rule, most Americans ignore that rule. Probably because the vast majority don't even know it exists.
    Soooo, fuck that stupid ass rule you keep ranting about.
    There, problem/issue resolved.
    You're welcome.
    Muslims know it exist, I would bet Obama knows it exist. That's why he pays respects to the Muslim religion, he was born into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Obama was born a Muslim according to the rules of the Muslim religion. Not what I require, its what the Muslim religion requires
    Who gives a fuck, other than you I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Muslims know it exist, I would bet Obama knows it exist. That's why he pays respects to the Muslim religion, he was born into it.
    LOL...see post #303.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Obama was born a Muslim according to the rules of the Muslim religion. Not what I require, its what the Muslim religion requires
    But if he's a Christian it doesn't matter. You're insisting Muslim principles should be superior to Christian principles. What verse in the Christian bible dictates who is born a Muslim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    This is Muslim rules in their religion. If there is one Muslim parent the child is Muslim, no choice
    That’s not the Christian rule. And since he was born and raised by Christians that’s the religion he chose. How could you be so silly to think he is a Muslim. Not even the right wing normals see that

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    But if he's a Christian it doesn't matter. You're insisting Muslim principles should be superior to Christian principles. What verse in the Christian bible dictates who is born a Muslim?
    Actually according to the Muslim religion if a Muslim converts to another religion they will be put to death.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam Islam
    Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ردة‎ riddah or ارتداد irtidād) is commonly defined[by whom?] as the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed.[1][2] It includes the act of converting to another religion or rejection of faith to be irreligious,[3] by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.[4] The definition of apostasy from Islam, and whether and how it should be punished are matters of controversy – Islamic scholars differ in their opinions on these questions.[5][6][7]

    Apostasy in Islam includes within its scope not only the wilful renunciation of Islam by a Muslim through a declaration of renunciation of the Islamic faith (whether for another religion or irreligiosity), or (in the absence of a declaration) by specific deed of undergoing the rites of conversion into another religion, but also even denying, or merely questioning, any "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam, such as the divinity of God, prophethood of Muhammad, or mocking God, or worshipping one or more idols.[8][9] Different Muslim denominations and schools of thought may hold different additional views of what each considers a fundamental tenet of the faith. It does not include individuals who were forced to embrace Islam under conditions of duress, or acts against Islam or conversion to another religion that is involuntary, forced or done as concealment out of fear of persecution or during war (Taqiyya or Kitman).[10][11]

    The term "apostate" has also been applied to people of religions that trace their origins to Islam, such as the Bahá'ís in Iran, even when the modern adherents of said religions may never have actually been Muslims themselves.[citation needed]

    Until the late 19th century, the vast majority of Islamic scholars in Madh'hab (Sunni) and Imamah (Shia) schools of jurisprudence held that for adult men, apostasy from Islam was a crime as well as a sin, an act of treason punishable with the death penalty,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    That’s not the Christian rule. And since he was born and raised by Christians that’s the religion he chose. How could you be so silly to think he is a Muslim. Not even the right wing normals see that
    Because according to the Muslim religion when a child is born with at least one Muslim parent the baby must follow the Muslim religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    But if he's a Christian it doesn't matter. You're insisting Muslim principles should be superior to Christian principles. What verse in the Christian bible dictates who is born a Muslim?
    Obama has converted to the Christian religion, but he was born Muslim because his Father was Muslim. That is the rules of the Muslim religion. He is actually an Apostate that could be judged by the Muslim religion for leaving it. If he lived in a Muslim country he could be put to death for converting to Christianity

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Actually according to the Muslim religion if a Muslim converts to another religion they will be put to death.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam Islam
    Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ردة‎ riddah or ارتداد irtidād) is commonly defined[by whom?] as the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed.[1][2] It includes the act of converting to another religion or rejection of faith to be irreligious,[3] by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.[4] The definition of apostasy from Islam, and whether and how it should be punished are matters of controversy – Islamic scholars differ in their opinions on these questions.[5][6][7]

    Apostasy in Islam includes within its scope not only the wilful renunciation of Islam by a Muslim through a declaration of renunciation of the Islamic faith (whether for another religion or irreligiosity), or (in the absence of a declaration) by specific deed of undergoing the rites of conversion into another religion, but also even denying, or merely questioning, any "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam, such as the divinity of God, prophethood of Muhammad, or mocking God, or worshipping one or more idols.[8][9] Different Muslim denominations and schools of thought may hold different additional views of what each considers a fundamental tenet of the faith. It does not include individuals who were forced to embrace Islam under conditions of duress, or acts against Islam or conversion to another religion that is involuntary, forced or done as concealment out of fear of persecution or during war (Taqiyya or Kitman).[10][11]

    The term "apostate" has also been applied to people of religions that trace their origins to Islam, such as the Bahá'ís in Iran, even when the modern adherents of said religions may never have actually been Muslims themselves.[citation needed]

    Until the late 19th century, the vast majority of Islamic scholars in Madh'hab (Sunni) and Imamah (Shia) schools of jurisprudence held that for adult men, apostasy from Islam was a crime as well as a sin, an act of treason punishable with the death penalty,
    Yes. As you said, "according to the Muslim religion", but why should a Christian care? You do know that most Christians aren't Muslims, right?

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